Warbonnet Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Shall we see the return to motor bogies in our locomotives? Kato have previewed this new system in a Japanese loco and will be coming soon to a new US outline loco in HO. There is nothing around as smooth as Kato's current motor, so it will be interesting to see if this new idea catches on. More room for speakers and weight at least! [video=youtube_share;lLK2tKssj5M] Quote
BosKonay Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Wow - dual coreless, flywheel motors - can only imagine that means much more efficient running, more weight and ultimately more pulling power! Never mind the space for speakers, and unimaginable amounts of wiring fun Quote
Broithe Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 How long before we actually have individual traction motors on each axle? And then a tiny little diesel - forget the speaker..... Quote
BosKonay Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I guess this is pretty close! Motors for each bogie.... How long before the like sof Hornby or Bachmann follow suit (if at all) considering Hornby stuff (some of it) still have 1980's technology motors inside! Quote
BosKonay Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Certainly means lots of room for smoke gens, multiple bass reflex speakers, loads of micro leds The possibilities Quote
BosKonay Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Never the mind the options those lovely little powered bogies give for kits, remotoring, etc! Quote
RedRich Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I think the real revelation of these motors is in the motorization of EMU DMU models. If they prove successful it will open up endless possibilities for manufacturers. Some great food for thought. Rich, Quote
Garfield Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Gentlemen, the bar has been raised. Over to you Bachmann, Hornby et al! I think the real revelation of these motors is in the motorization of EMU DMU models... Murphy Models AEC set... (A boy can dream, right?) Quote
heirflick Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 Certainly means lots of room for smoke gens, multiple bass reflex speakers, loads of micro leds The possibilities smoke generators...... Quote
Mayner Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I guess this is pretty close! Motors for each bogie.... How long before the like sof Hornby or Bachmann follow suit (if at all) considering Hornby stuff (some of it) still have 1980's technology motors inside! Its pure 80s technology Bachmann used individual powered bogies in its HO 45 & 70Tonners and Large Scale GE Diesel and Geared Steamers. I have one battery powered large scale loco with twin motor drive you tend to get surging or a jerking motion with the motors wired in parallel running downhill under load as the back EMF from one motor fights the other, wiring the motors in series reduces the surging but halves the top speed . Be interesting to see how kato got around that one Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted January 23, 2013 Posted January 23, 2013 I would say John with today chips and decoders Kato should be able to sort that out. Hopefully it won't be long before we get to see some running on you tube and feed back from other modellers. Quote
Warbonnet Posted January 23, 2013 Author Posted January 23, 2013 I've looked on a couple of US forums and they all seem to share John's concerns. I just can't see though how Kato, who produce probably the smoothest motor of all would ditch it for an inferior drive system. Time will tell and as Anthony says feedback from modellers who have such models will be interesting. Quote
Warbonnet Posted July 30, 2013 Author Posted July 30, 2013 So the first US model featuring this new drive system is almost here, and here's how you DCC it. http://www.katousa.com/HO/P42/maint/DCC-install.html Oh dear... Quote
BosKonay Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Oh dear is right! This, in an age when popping off a fake exhaust or panel to slot in a chip is considered 'fiddly' for dcc install! Quote
RedRich Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 That is a real backward step. I was hoping to see the bogie motor in units like the Bachmann Turbostars, Voyagers, 150's, the new 158's, and the EMU's in the future allowing full interior's. I remember seeing a guy DCC a Voyager and fit an Express Models lighting unit to it at a show in the UK and it reminds me of that. It needs a lot of work to bring it up to plug and play, and that's what they should be aiming for in today's market. Rich, Quote
Warbonnet Posted August 4, 2013 Author Posted August 4, 2013 That is a real backward step. I was hoping to see the bogie motor in units like the Bachmann Turbostars, Voyagers, 150's, the new 158's, and the EMU's in the future allowing full interior's. I remember seeing a guy DCC a Voyager and fit an Express Models lighting unit to it at a show in the UK and it reminds me of that. It needs a lot of work to bring it up to plug and play, and that's what they should be aiming for in today's market. Rich, Yep, the US forums can't believe it either! Back to the 80s. I was considering one of these to build up a passenger train but think I'll go athearn instead. Quote
RedRich Posted August 5, 2013 Posted August 5, 2013 Yep, the US forums can't believe it either! Back to the 80s. I was considering one of these to build up a passenger train but think I'll go athearn instead. I'm not surprised Fran. The caption at the end of photo one could worry a lot of people. Not pictured Pin vice, Soldering iron, Dremel. Rich, Quote
moogle Posted August 6, 2013 Posted August 6, 2013 Although its the wrong scale/gauge for me, I have to agree its a backwards step. Perhaps the sales will reflect this and make them rethink it? Quote
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