heirflick Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 heres a little bit of history that i dadnt know.....'Dazzle ships' above shows the outlandish colour schemes used by the british navy during the WW1. They were called 'Dazzle ships' and the thinking was that gunnery officers on enemy ships could not get an accurate fix on them because the colour schemes threw them off!....no accurate radar plotting then! anyway its all being done again accross the pond to raise awarness of these ships that served in the war. .......history lesson over for today - now off and get a cup of tea! Quote
Broithe Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 The idea was that it was difficult to be sure if you had got the images overlapping exactly in the rangefinder, so shells could be fired at the wrong range, falling short or long. In WW2, ships often had false bows and sterns painted on for the same reason, one quick way of gauging the distance was to see how 'wide' the ship looked in the rangefinder, by making the ship look shorter, a quick guess made it appear further away than it really was, and the shells would pass harmlessly over to a point further away. They even painted bow waves on. The false bow wave also made aiming a torpedo more difficult as the ship looked like it was sailing faster. Quote
heirflick Posted August 24, 2014 Author Posted August 24, 2014 They even painted bow waves on. The false bow wave also made aiming a torpedo more difficult as the ship looked like it was sailing faster. always wondered what they were for! - thanks:tumbsup: Quote
Broithe Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Other things were tried too, Hans Kirschstein even painted his Fokkers with stripes that were slightly off-line, the idea was to induce an opponent to aim slightly to one side when attempting a deflection shot. 1 Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) RMS Olympic as HMT Olympic in dazzle colours. Near identical sister ship of the better known Titanic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Olympic#mediaviewer/File:Olympic_WWI.jpg Gives an impression of what the Titanic might have looked if it dodged the iceberg, made it to New York and served in WW1. Edited August 25, 2014 by minister_for_hardship Quote
Garfield Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 RMS Leinster was wearing similar camouflage when she was sunk in 1918... Quote
Broithe Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 The Germans, in WW1, also covered at least three aircraft with transparent Cellon cellulose sheeting, instead of the standard doped linen. The idea being to make them less visible - but the shiny surface didn't help, nor did the tendency to degrade in sunlight and to go brittle in the cold at altitude, so this early attempt at stealth aircraft was abandoned. Here's a Cellon-covered Fokker E1. Quote
DiveController Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I'm confused. Who's showcasing the dazzle trains? Aer they coming up next? Quote
Broithe Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 I'm confused. Who's showcasing the dazzle trains? Aer they coming up next? Well, since you ask.... http://www.henrygrosman.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75:dazzle-trains&catid=39:graphics&Itemid=56 Quote
DiveController Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 So no epileptics can travel on these or wait at a crossing as they pass (where extra care would be required before crossing, of course)? Quote
DiveController Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Can't work out the architecture. Where is this, geographically? Quote
Broithe Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 You're not safe anywhere.... I must go down to the sea again, To the lonely sea and the sky, I left my vest and pants there. I wonder if they're dry? Quote
Broithe Posted August 25, 2014 Posted August 25, 2014 Can't work out the architecture. Where is this, geographically? Henry Grosman is in Long Island, New York, but the picture with the buildings in looks like an ICE in Germany, perhaps. Quote
heirflick Posted August 25, 2014 Author Posted August 25, 2014 You're not safe anywhere.... I must go down to the sea again, To the lonely sea and the sky, I left my vest and pants there. I wonder if they're dry? [ATTACH=CONFIG]14689[/ATTACH] this dazzle thing is driving me nuts... Quote
Broithe Posted August 26, 2014 Posted August 26, 2014 Can't work out the architecture. Where is this, geographically? Looking at it again, I wonder if that's actually a Chinese high-speed train? Quote
heirflick Posted August 26, 2014 Author Posted August 26, 2014 Looking at it again, I wonder if that's actually a Chinese high-speed train? seems to be... Quote
Broithe Posted October 19, 2014 Posted October 19, 2014 I seem to have missed this report at the time - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27824910 - I think I was away... Quote
enniscorthyman Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 My favourite version of Dazzle ships- http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6vOdLUtJs Quote
Broithe Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 My favourite version of Dazzle ships-http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6vOdLUtJs That wouldn't load for me off the link, but here it is - I knew you would be along in a bit.... Quote
heirflick Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 My favourite version of Dazzle ships-http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6vOdLUtJs eamonn - whatever medication youre takeing, either double it or cut it out!!!! Quote
Broithe Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 The Visby, currently involved in the 'submarine hunt' off Sweden, is a bit of a modern Dazzle Ship. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29722500 Quote
Broithe Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 is she stealth ready? There are distinct low-observability aspects to her - in visible, infra-red and radar modes + a very low magnetic signature - this is achieved by the use of modern composite materials and the physical shape of the vessel - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby-class_corvette . Quote
heirflick Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 There are distinct low-observability aspects to her - in visible, infra-red and radar modes + a very low magnetic signature - this is achieved by the use of modern composite materials and the physical shape of the vessel - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby-class_corvette . I doubt that our naval service will ever get one! Quote
Broithe Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 I doubt that our naval service will ever get one! You would have to be very careful to remember where it was, or you might never find it again. They have struggled to get them into service - it's all a bit 'new'. Might get one second-hand in a few years...? Quote
heirflick Posted October 23, 2014 Author Posted October 23, 2014 You would have to be very careful to remember where it was, or you might never find it again. They have struggled to get them into service - it's all a bit 'new'. Might get one second-hand in a few years...? the last time second hand ships were bought was in the charlie H era when Le Orla and Ciara were got from the British when scaling down their Hong Kong fleet - doubt it will ever happen again! Quote
Broithe Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 the last time second hand ships were bought was in the charlie H era when Le Orla and Ciara were got from the British when scaling down their Hong Kong fleet - doubt it will ever happen again! The Royal Navy only has nineteen real warships today - but they still have 40 admirals and 260 people qualified to captain a vessel - a touch of top-heavy over-manning going on.... Quote
heirflick Posted October 24, 2014 Author Posted October 24, 2014 The Royal Navy only has nineteen real warships today - but they still have 40 admirals and 260 people qualified to captain a vessel - a touch of top-heavy over-manning going on.... ..a bit like the HSE so! Quote
Broithe Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Still in use today, to disguise pre-production cars on road tests - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/04/spy-photo-camera-camo-explained-whats-with-the-swirlies.html . Range Rover, underneath all that.... Quote
Blaine Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Still in use today, to disguise pre-production cars on road tests - http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/04/spy-photo-camera-camo-explained-whats-with-the-swirlies.html . [ATTACH=CONFIG]15547[/ATTACH] Range Rover, underneath all that.... Also throws autofocus lenses off so they are harder to photograph - at least thats the theory Quote
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