GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I saw a strange Irish loco, possibly a 4-4-0 in a picture somewhere. The engine looked like the smokebox had been extended a few inches, but with a smaller diameter. Has anybody got any pictures of this strange beast, or a REASON why it looked so unusual? Quote
Andy Cundick Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Sounds like one of the MGW 440 fitted with a superheater,Andy. Quote
Mayner Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) The extended smokebox doors were fitted when the MGWR rebuilt and superheated the Celtic & Connemara Class (GSR D5-7)4-4-0s and B & H Class (GSR J2 & J6) 0-6-0s during the WW1 period. The extending the door allowed the Cusack-Morton supeheater elements to be fitted within an existing smokebox, the cattle engines were built from new with superheaters and did not have this feature. Rebuilt Celtic MGWR As GSR/CIE D5 Rebuilt Connemara MGWR Cs GSR D6/7 MGWR Cattle Engine F Class GSR J5 Edited January 31, 2016 by Mayner Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Interesting pics.... The middle one is described on the original caption as being taken at Kingsbridge - I don't think this is right. Looks more like Broadstone to me. Anyone? Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Posted January 31, 2016 What does the rolling stock look like? Looks more MGWR than anything else Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Posted January 31, 2016 The extended smokebox doors were fitted when the MGWR rebuilt and superheated the Celtic & Connemara Class (GSR D5-7)4-4-0s and B & H Class (GSR J2 & J6) 0-6-0s during the WW1 period. The extending the door allowed the Cusack-Morton supeheater elements to be fitted within an existing smokebox, the cattle engines were built from new with superheaters and did not have this feature. Rebuilt Celtic MGWR As GSR/CIE D5 Rebuilt Connemara MGWR Cs GSR D6/7 MGWR Cattle Engine F Class GSR J5 That's them alright..they look so weird Quote
DiveController Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 If it's strange looking steamers you're after, don't forget the modified GS&WR prelude to the CC1 Quote
Glenderg Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Interesting pics.... The middle one is described on the original caption as being taken at Kingsbridge - I don't think this is right. Looks more like Broadstone to me. Anyone? Spot on JB, the three gable ends are the ones of Great Western Villas/Square, taken looking up toward North Circular Road. Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Author Posted January 31, 2016 If it's strange looking steamers you're after, don't forget the modified GS&WR prelude to the CC1 A weirdly beautiful machine..she is among my list of " should have been preserved " Quote
Mayner Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Interesting pics.... The middle one is described on the original caption as being taken at Kingsbridge - I don't think this is right. Looks more like Broadstone to me. Anyone? In the 1st photo 548 has just passed under the North Circular Road on the approaches to Broadstone, the 1st vehicle is a MGWR fish van, second looks like one of the Attock bogie tri-composites, third a Pullman rest of the train probably a mix of GSR/GSWR/MGWR stock. 548 was one three Celtic (545 D5) Class 4-4-0s rebuilt in the 1920s with new frames, raised running plates and rounded cabs similar in general styling to the cattle engines. In the second photo 544 is on the approaches Broadstone possibly with an up Sligo train with the North Circular Road Bridge in the background, The houses in Great Western Square and Villas and the works on the right. The Connemara MGWR C Class were originally introduced for Sligo & Mayo line services from 1909 onwards,544 is one of 5 locos fitted with large superheated boilers and piston valves from 1917 onwards and classified as GSR Class D6 540-544. The first coach looks like an ex-GSWR Corridor Coach, followed by an ex-MGWR side corridor coach in the lake and cream scheme, followed by a 6 wheeler, a bogie van and a string of non-passenger coaching stock and vans Quote
jhb171achill Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 The first coach looks like an ex-GSWR Corridor Coach, followed by an ex-MGWR side corridor coach in the lake and cream scheme, followed by a 6 wheeler, a bogie van and a string of non-passenger coaching stock and vans Yes. The first is one of a series built by the GSWR between 1902 and 1905 and is probably an open third. The second is as Mayner says. The next one us a four compartment MGWR six wheeled first, and the far one isn't easy to identify, but the roof profile suggests it's ex GSWR. On livery, the first and third vehicles are in the very dark lake colour - actually, the exact livery on the DCDR No. 836 now. That first vehicle is much the same as 836. The other two are brown and cream. The maroon and cream was only applied to the Drumm trains. GSR coach liveries: 1. Dark lake, a la 836, lined gold and rec as on DCDR. Used in all vehicles to 1929 - a continuation of GSWR dark "lake". After 1929, only used on secondary stock including vast majority of 6-wheelers, while main line stock was brown and cream; this until 1933 after which all was lighter LMS-shade maroon. 2. Mid brown and cream, lined black. Applied 1929-34 approx to main line stock only. Everything else remained the dark reddish lake colour. The brown was much the same as the GWR shade in England. 3. Lighter maroon, lined yellow and black, identical to English LMS, though lettering an entirely different style. Applied to everything from 1933 onwards, though jhb171senior recalled seeing a 6-wheeler at Kingsbridge still in GSWR livery in the thirties... Narrow gauge: darker maroon initially, later post 1933 lighter maroon. No narrow gauge vehicles were ever brown and cream. Drumm trains: their own unique variant: maroon (LMS shade, not the dark lake) and cream, also painted in the LMS shade standard (all over) maroon. By 1940, virtually all the old dark shade and brown/cream vehicles had been repainted standard (lighter) maroon. Quote
Mayner Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 If it's strange looking steamers you're after, don't forget the modified GS&WR prelude to the CC1 Looking for the unusual steam locos Italy is a good place. The Italian Railways seem to have had the most success in getting the Franco-Costi system to work, they also had the even odder habit of building inside cylinder locomotives with the valves and valve gear on the outside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FS_Class_600#/media/File:Locomotiva_RA_380.jpg Quote
GSR 800 Posted February 1, 2016 Author Posted February 1, 2016 Bullied actually went over to Italy,and applied many of their ideas to the modified K3 Quote
Maitland Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 In your innocemce, you call those strange? Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Another weirdo. Cork's coal gantry 'Pat'....a bodge job of an ancient tender, vertical boilered steam plant and an 'agricultural' looking cab which lasted until the end of steam. Quote
Horsetan Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 If it's strange looking steamers you're after, don't forget the modified GS&WR prelude to the CC1 Ah, the mental turf-burning locomotive. Quote
Garfield Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Ah, the mental turf-burning locomotive. The locomotive equivalent of this: Quote
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