gph2000 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 Just spotted this in a gateway in Tullamore. Looks like the real thing, but the town has no known connection, unless it was placed there for other reasons. 1 Quote
DERAILED Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) It looks in remarkably good condition - what company is it supposed to be from? Waterford & Kilkenny? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterford_and_Kilkenny_Railway Edited June 27, 2019 by DERAILED Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Fake. Had it from someone in the antiques trade, a foundry in New Ross churns out fake signs by the bushel. Worth 10 or 15 euro, scrap iron value. I wouldn't pay any more for a novelty sign. Edited June 27, 2019 by minister_for_hardship 1 Quote
gph2000 Posted June 29, 2019 Author Posted June 29, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 9:11 PM, minister_for_hardship said: Fake. Had it from someone in the antiques trade, a foundry in New Ross churns out fake signs by the bushel. Worth 10 or 15 euro, scrap iron value. I wouldn't pay any more for a novelty sign. Given the performance of the W&KR the fake might be worth more than an original! If I wanted a mocked up sign I would go for something like the GS&WR, the only reason I can think of for choosing an obscure outfit like this is to add authenticity. Although I don't recall seeing it before, historic streetview images have present it in 2010. Were it not for the cross head screws I would have made a case that they might have had a yard in Tullamore to hold goods from the DE Williams brewery before moving them by road, rail or canal to Mountmellick/Portlaoise for rail transit to the port of Waterford. Quote
PorkyP Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 The modern DIY shop screws do it for me ! Plus there's no weathering or staining around it on what it's fixed to that you'd get if it'd been on there donkey's years.. Quote
DERAILED Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 I fail to see what the presence of modern screws have to do with anything, it's not like it's fastened to a gate. Whether it's a fake or original - it's obviously not in its original location. It's not worn enough looking and the edges are far too sharp. 100% fake. Quote
PorkyP Posted July 1, 2019 Posted July 1, 2019 Well I think we're all agreed that it's a phoney anyway.. sure there's loads of these repro 'railway signs' all over fleabay and the like... Quote
Broithe Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 Same sign on a building in Yorkshire - https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3133096 Quote
Broithe Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 It seems to also be available as a W&CI variant - http://www.irishrailwayana.com/pa306.htm Quote
DiveController Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 .... under the 'fakes' section (just for clarity) Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 It was a standard GSWR design, used almost only by them. The solitary example of another company using this design that I’m aware of was the T & D. I know from photos that there were at least 3 or 4 examples. My father photographed one at Castlegregory when he went there just before the line closed. Tralee has another at Basin Halt (I think), and there was one at some level crossing. Quote
gph2000 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Posted July 3, 2019 I'm impressed to see it in Yorkshire too. Quote
Broithe Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 57 minutes ago, gph2000 said: I'm impressed to see it in Yorkshire too. The Yorkshire one is/was here - https://www.google.com/maps/@53.7316522,-0.6725663,3a,75y,339.63h,85.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sTGPH1vo-NgE3R4I-xat17w!2e0!5s20100301T000000!7i13312!8i6656 - on this old school building, where the hanging basket thing is, next to the window, but it's appeared after this latest Street View picture (March 2010). The Geograph picture above was taken on September 15th, 2012, so it may well still be there now. The 'fence' in the Geograph picture is actually the open gate... I was in Hull a few weeks ago and I may go again next year and spend some time at Fort Paull, to see the only remaining Blackburn Beverley, if I get the chance, I might go past and ask them why the sign is there... Quote
K801 Posted July 9, 2019 Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 7:34 PM, Broithe said: Same sign on a building in Yorkshire - https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3133096 Maybe the railway line ran from Waterford to Yorkshire and is now a cycleway, oh sorry, a boatway Quote
PorkyP Posted July 9, 2019 Posted July 9, 2019 Sure I never knew there was a railway tunnel under the Irish sea.... Quote
Broithe Posted July 9, 2019 Posted July 9, 2019 11 minutes ago, PorkyP said: Sure I never knew there was a railway tunnel under the Irish sea.... It might be best to stump up a few more Euros and run it straight to France now. https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-uk-tunnel-explained-3-3716011-Nov2017/ 2 Quote
jhb171achill Posted July 28, 2019 Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/1/2019 at 8:48 PM, DERAILED said: I fail to see what the presence of modern screws have to do with anything, it's not like it's fastened to a gate. Whether it's a fake or original - it's obviously not in its original location. It's not worn enough looking and the edges are far too sharp. 100% fake. Indeed; fastenings irrelevant. You could have a dud and a real thing attached to a modern garden gate, by the same screws.... Quote
DERAILED Posted September 5, 2019 Posted September 5, 2019 Spotted this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-STYLE-IRISH-N-W-R-R-RAILWAY-NOTICE-NEWRY-WARRENPOINT-ROSTREVOR/143373840268?hash=item2161bf2f8c:g:QNIAAOSwZH1dbQP8 more intriguing one on eBay tonight. It's the wear/marks etc. on the back that I find interesting but I suspect, as usual. someone has been at it. What does anybody else think? The Newry, Warrenpoint & Rostrevor Railway did exist but... Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted September 6, 2019 Posted September 6, 2019 Light rust and marks from a few years outdoors fixed to something. Still a fake. Quote
DERAILED Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 Here's another one coming up for sale in a general auction. What company is it supposed to be from? Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Enniskillen, Bundoran & Sligo Railway. Again, another piece of rubbish. Edited September 10, 2019 by minister_for_hardship Quote
PorkyP Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 off the level crossing at Buggleskelly... Quote
DiveController Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 7 hours ago, DERAILED said: Here's another one coming up for sale in a general auction. What company is it supposed to be from? Most notable by the fact that the E&B R officially changed its name but never actually reached Sligo, the SLNCR prevailing with its route instead. I doubt any were produced in advance of an extension that was not built unless they were used on the original before the sligo portion was abandoned? Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 No this is fake, a 'replica' of a sign that more than likely never existed. It shares features with other known fakes, tellingly they only show up at car boot sales, garden centres and general antique auctions (always minefields for the uninitiated); never at a specialist auction. Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 (edited) Another one which turns up regularly But this is my favourite: And no comment on this one: Edited September 11, 2019 by WRENNEIRE 2 2 Quote
jhb171achill Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 19 hours ago, DiveController said: Most notable by the fact that the E&B R officially changed its name but never actually reached Sligo, the SLNCR prevailing with its route instead. I doubt any were produced in advance of an extension that was not built unless they were used on the original before the sligo portion was abandoned? This was a GSWR Inchicore design only. Anything and everything that isn’t GSWR, with a few exceptions, and even a few that do say GSWR, are fakes. Total, lock, stock and barrel, fake. One exception was the T & D. My father took a picture of one at Castlegregory station when he travelled there by train. I’ve seen a photo of one somewhere in Tralee as well. I have a distant idea that the WLWR might have got Inchicore to make a few but I am not at all sure. I've never seen a photo or any reliable report of one. Quote
gph2000 Posted September 12, 2019 Author Posted September 12, 2019 If I ever get a guinea pig I'll have to get one of these signs - to keep it from being trodden on! 1 Quote
DERAILED Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 6:41 PM, jhb171achill said: This was a GSWR Inchicore design only. Anything and everything that isn’t GSWR, with a few exceptions, and even a few that do say GSWR, are fakes. Total, lock, stock and barrel, fake. One exception was the T & D. My father took a picture of one at Castlegregory station when he travelled there by train. I’ve seen a photo of one somewhere in Tralee as well. I have a distant idea that the WLWR might have got Inchicore to make a few but I am not at all sure. I've never seen a photo or any reliable report of one. Agree completely - apart from the GSWR, the T+D and also the Waterford, Dungarvan & Lismore are the only genuine ones that I know of. The WDLR ones were still in situ on that line long after closure and several passed through my hands. Sadly they are also now being forged. Quote
DERAILED Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 I noticed this MGWR wagon plate in in the latest Great Central Railwayana Auction - the number seems very high and did the MGWR have (I) on their plates? https://auctions.gcrauctions.com/catalogue/lot/a11ef74441c61a25429f23c395a279f6/61ad83272971a65b1b45f1d4d620c5f8/general-railwayana-online-sale-of-600-lots-lot-548/ Quote
jhb171achill Posted September 7, 2022 Posted September 7, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DERAILED said: I noticed this MGWR wagon plate in in the latest Great Central Railwayana Auction - the number seems very high and did the MGWR have (I) on their plates? https://auctions.gcrauctions.com/catalogue/lot/a11ef74441c61a25429f23c395a279f6/61ad83272971a65b1b45f1d4d620c5f8/general-railwayana-online-sale-of-600-lots-lot-548/ It does LOOK genuine; if it's a dud it's a very good one. Yes, the Midland could have had numbers that high - but my concern is the "(I)" bit after "MGWR". The OFFICIAL name of the company was, note order of wording, the "Midland Great Western of Ireland Railway Company"; not the "Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland". Thus, strictly, if the "I" is to be included, one would be inclined to think it would translate into initials as "MGW(I)R". It was normal on MGWR carriage plates and other notices, trespass signs and the like to use simply "MGWR". I would prefer to see this thing in the flesh, as it were, in order to deremine its authenticity or lack thereof; as of now, the jury's out. It is possible it was off one of those imported Belgian wagons - like General Motors' 1976 livery for the 071s, which was arong in several ways from the actual CIE livery of the day, and the "flying snail" on the control desk of NIR's three 071s, it's possible that a "foreign" manufacturer got the details wrong - but that's on the assumption that it was they, rather than Broadstone, who cast these plates in the first instance. Edited September 7, 2022 by jhb171achill 1 Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted September 8, 2022 Posted September 8, 2022 3327 has been in auction previously Makes one wonder 2 Quote
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