jhb171achill Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 (edited) Folks Just had this delivered and even first glance prompts me to put pen to paper - or finger to keyboard. As one might expect, given the previous works of the authors, this is a masterpiece and will become a major reference work for ANYONE interested in Irish railways. The “green Bible”, covering all GSR locos is now well known and one of the most thumbed-through in my collection. Same with this new one: it is exceptionally and painstaking well-researched, using as many prime original reference sources as possible. The GSWR was, of course, Ireland’s biggest railway company, so it is only to be expected that its locomotive history would be complex. Undaunted, the authors have unearthed much detail which was hitherto little-known; the entire subject matter being of great interest to me, personally, given my grandfather’s entire working life in the Drawing Office at Inchicore, going back to the last quarter of the GSWR’s life. Since many GSWR locos lasted until the end of steam in CIE days in the early 1960s, it is of interest (indeed, essential) to anyone modelling Irish railways prior to 1963; a growing band of people, indeed - and not before time, given all the potential material available. This book will encourage more people to do so, hopefully (cue a RTR 400 class, D17 or “Maedb”, somewhere??). A truly excellent publication, which I’ll be spending quite a good few of the forthcoming days poring over! To the authors and publishers (Collon Press), very well done. An absolutely superb piece of work. Edited December 27, 2020 by jhb171achill 4 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted December 27, 2020 Author Posted December 27, 2020 You beat me to it, Seagoe! The publisher will post it directly, which beats the small inconvenience of normal retailers possibly being close down or otherwise short-staffed...... 1 Quote
Colin R Posted December 27, 2020 Posted December 27, 2020 I have contacted the publisher today so I hope I will get a response soon, then I can add it to the growing list of Irish Railway books, the next two items I need are a win on the euro lottery and secondly a bigger house for the book and model railway collections . Colin 3 Quote
airfixfan Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Seen posts on Facebook suggesting it is a reprint of the 2008 book. Obviously they are wrong and can trust John to be correct as always. Will order a copy today. Quote
Colin R Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Have just been contacted by the publisher, now to sort out the Paypal bit and the book will be on its way Quote
decauville1126 Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Mine was ordered within minutes of an email from Alan O'Rourke. Very easy - just use the email contact details on the flyer to advise your location and you'll get a PayPal request from Michael McMahon in your currency (£40 stg in my case). Quick, simple, and painless except for the wallet! I think all subscribers to New Irish Lines should have the same email. 1 Quote
Mike 84C Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 Is this a revision of the 2008 book? I do not do facebook so have seen no comments. If it is a major improvement on the earlier edition , which I have, I would be tempted but at the moment its a but ?? Mick Quote
Galteemore Posted December 28, 2020 Posted December 28, 2020 It’s not a rerun. It’s a new book, focusing on the GSWR rather than the GSR. 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted December 29, 2020 Author Posted December 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Mike 84C said: Is this a revision of the 2008 book? I do not do facebook so have seen no comments. If it is a major improvement on the earlier edition , which I have, I would be tempted but at the moment its a but ?? Mick No, totally new book. 1 Quote
airfixfan Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 No a brand new book and ordered a copy yesterday myself from Michael. 1 Quote
Mike 84C Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 Gentlemen thanks for your replies, I shall order a copy. Quote
Colin R Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mike 84C said: Gentlemen thanks for your replies, I shall order a copy. A good choice only 1000 have been printed so I am told, it appears a lot of them are going to people on this forum, may be someone in the IRRS should buy one for the library Quote
Wexford70 Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 16 hours ago, jhb171achill said: No, totally new book. Thanks, placed an order also. 1 Quote
airfixfan Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 Well done to Michael and others for taking the iniative and the risk to publish this valuable new book 4 Quote
Mike 84C Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 I too have joined the club of order placers. " The Grand Order of Book Buyers" Only 1000 printed? I hope they do twice that 'cos there's many book browsers here on the big island. 1 Quote
Colin R Posted December 29, 2020 Posted December 29, 2020 If there is as much detail in the book as I suspect, then the kit manufactures will have a field day ( we live in hope that a glute of Irish locomotive kits will come from this). Colin Rainsbury 1 1 Quote
airfixfan Posted January 7, 2021 Posted January 7, 2021 Just wondering if members have received their copy of the book yet? Live in NI and mine was despatched on 30/12 and await its arrival keenly. Quote
Galteemore Posted January 7, 2021 Posted January 7, 2021 Mine was posted yesterday (to deepest Buckinghamshire). Will advise on receipt! Quote
airfixfan Posted January 7, 2021 Posted January 7, 2021 Have been told to expect mine tomorrow. Quote
decauville1126 Posted January 7, 2021 Posted January 7, 2021 9 hours ago, airfixfan said: Just wondering if members have received their copy of the book yet? Live in NI and mine was despatched on 30/12 and await its arrival keenly. Mine was received safely down here in Sussex on Jan 5th, well bubble-wrapped in a large jiffy bag. 1 Quote
David Holman Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Just arrived! A hefty tome and first impressions say to me that this is a genuinely academic piece of work, work by of a doctorate of PhD. Arise therefore professors Clements, McMahon and O'Rourke! 2 Quote
airfixfan Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 My copy has just arrived and looks like an outstanding piece of work. Well done to Michael and his team! 1 Quote
PJR Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Its a superb piece of work ,well worth the money. I would highly recommend buying. 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 OK, now I've read it. Took a few days! LOCOMOTIVES OF THE GREAT SOUTHERN & WESTERN RAILWAY by Jeremy Clements, Michael McMahon and Alan O'Rourke (Collon Publishing, Collon, Co. Louth) As would be expected, given the previous works of all three authors, this work promised to leave absolutely no stone unturned in terms of research, attention to detail, and the covering of all aspects of any issues which might have had several different research sources. At the start, in keeping with this thoroughness, the authors point out that not all records have survived, and thus given the passage of time, some small gaps are inevitable in the information covered. Nevertheless, the content is very detailed, as one would expect for a work which draws heavily on the copious notes of the late R N Clements, arguably Ireland's greatest ever expert on Irish steam traction. Many of us will be familiar with the "Big Green Book", or "GSR Bible", and this book is set out in much the same way. The authors refer in the introduction to the necessity to have a standard way of notation for all locomotive classes, given the bewildering array of styles used by the GSR, the GSWR of the immediately preceding era, and earlier GSWR notations. R N Clements' own system based on Roman numerals is included - once one takes the time to get one's head round Bob Clements' logic, it all falls into place. Many of the locomotive classes covered are obscure one-offs, but the efforts made to standardise some practices and components is well covered, as is the relationship between the early component companies of the GSWR, with their differing localised traction requirements. Naturally, the acquisition of the Waterford, Limerick & Western Railway by the GSWR in 1901, and the attendant absorbtion of its own locomotive fleet is well covered. Illustrations are many and varied, all in black and white bar one on the title page, which is worthy of note in itself; it shows a large scale model locomotive (now in the headquarters of the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in London), which is the only known example of exact GSWR green paint, and the lining style used from about 1870 or so to the mid or late 1870s. This was used as a model to glean details for the accurate livery now portrayed on GSWR No. 90 at Downpatrick. Of interest to many is the complex story of the evolution, development, and later improvements, alterations and rebuilds of many classes of locomotive, as these were many and varied. I was personally very interested in the information relating in this regard to the J15s, probably the most versatile Irish locomotive ever - it's no coincidence that many of these which dated back to the 1870s managed to survive until the end of steam traction in 1963. This is, overall, a reference work of the very highest quality, like its predecessor. It will be the standard academic work on the complex, and fascinating, locomotive history of this, Ireland's biggest pre-1925 railway company. If I was to have any criticism, and it's a tiny one, it might be that a slightly more complex index be included - but in the grand scheme of things, this is a small detail. This book is an absolute must to any student of Irish railways, and is released at a time when interest in the pre-diesel era in Ireland is, thankfully, rapidly growing. If you haven't bought it, buy it! It isn't the cheapest book you'll ever buy, but the quality and depth of the information between its covers makes it absolutely worth every red cent. Congratulations to all three authors! 4 1 Quote
Edo Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Sound great - I must get me hands on a copy 1 Quote
Mike 84C Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 My copy arrived today, only eight days to get to Lincolnshire! I totally agree with JHB's comments my only disappointment was the flat finish paper instead of gloss which takes photos better. But what a book unseen before photos, dimensions and well reasoned comments. Top marks to the Authors and I shall dive into it as soon as I've built a flatpack dining table from Ikea.! 2 Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 8, 2021 Author Posted January 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Galteemore said: Is it that heavy ?! Not QUITE as heavy as the "Green Bible", but it won't go in your jacket pocket! 1 Quote
Galteemore Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 Thank goodness for that. I know it’s a great book but if the price of owning it is a trip to IKEA .... 2 4 Quote
Mike 84C Posted January 9, 2021 Posted January 9, 2021 The Ikea flatpack dining table is very heavy, the great joy was you can only click and collect, a quick and painless process . You could buy food but not use the toilets!! How does that work? 1 Quote
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