"Iarnród Enda", RTE1 5th April

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 6/4/2021 at 11:48 AM, Galteemore said:

We live in an age where atmosphere matters more than accuracy.

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Hence why colourisation is such a trend.....your welcome

[minister_for_hardship]

Media reaction was generally positive with Kenny doing a reasonable, if uninspiring job of it. Comparisons with a series fronted by another ex politician are inevitable.

I don't think it was intended to be anything more than staycation chewing gum, scenery and some sound bites.

[skinner75]

I enjoyed it I have to say. I wasn't expecting a half hour IRRS presentation on the line - if you were, then that's on you.

I like the mix of history, and current things to see on the greenway. I know that 'greenway' is like a red rag to a bull with some of you, but there you are

[Galteemore]

I don’t mind greenways if done sensitively. Ireland was over furnished with railways and most of them have no rationale for resurrection - not even my beloved SLNC!  If a greenway gets people enjoying fresh air and their heritage, that’s all good. Programmes like this can do a lot of good, and are only enhanced when the images are accurate. It’s all part of that respect for the past. Look at this heritage trail sign from Fivemiletown, which shows the pride they have in their railway history - they get the loco shape right and didn’t just grab a ‘train’ off some graphics library ...I can overlook it being an 0-8-0.....

Edited April 6, 2021 by Galteemore

[Westcorkrailway]

 

  On 6/4/2021 at 3:33 PM, Galteemore said:

I don’t mind greenways if done sensitively. Ireland was over furnished with railways and most of them have no rationale for resurrection - not even my beloved SLNC!  If a greenway gets people enjoying fresh air and their heritage, that’s all good. Programmes like this can do a lot of good, and are only enhanced when the images are accurate. It’s all part of that respect for the past. Look at this heritage trail sign from Fivemiletown, which shows the pride they have in their railway history - they get the loco shape right and didn’t just grab a ‘train’ off some graphics library ...I can overlook it being an 0-8-0.....

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Something ive seen done in my native county is murals and monuments dedicated to the past, no words. Just encouragment that encourage you to research yourself. Granted there are signs everywhere but these really stand out to me and the youngsters alike

This one is in west cork, but miles away from the railway. Made out of scrap materials and yet 464 is done well

a recently completed Bandon tank model at Enniskeane with its own plynth.

Colourful and thought provoking mural at skibbereen no words, just triggers curiosity

 

Another recently completed mural at enniskeane. While the lack of colour holds this one back, it still provokes thaught and encourages research. 

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by Westcorkrailway

[airfixfan]

Looking forward to the Achill branch tomorrow night. Here we can see the secret visit of Tornado instead of an Achill bogie!

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 11/4/2021 at 7:47 PM, airfixfan said:

Looking forward to the Achill branch tomorrow night. Here we can see the secret visit of Tornado instead of an Achill bogie!

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After the performance of last time. Were gonna see at least 3 clips of irish standerd gauge rail workings, maybe british standerd gauge stuff........im calling the use the same clip of the A4s again!

[jhb171achill]

There will be a “colourised” blue and orange AEC railcar in Newport, and a black, white and pink ICR at Achill (actually Brisbane), with yellow track and a bright blue platform.

[popeye]

And don't forget about the disused tunnel to New York. 

[minister_for_hardship]

Achill branch now "narrow gauge".

[jhb171achill]

  On 12/4/2021 at 7:31 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Achill branch now "narrow gauge".

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Indeed, complete with clips of the CDR and the C & L.

The Irish name for Newport is wrong.

Ads over now....

Ten seconds into the next bit and it’s the GREAT WESTERN & SOUTHERN RAILWAY!!!!!

 

 

Edited April 12, 2021 by jhb171achill

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 12/4/2021 at 7:47 PM, jhb171achill said:

Indeed, complete with clips of the CDR and the C & L.

The Irish name for Newport is wrong.

Ads over now....

Ten seconds into the next bit and it’s the GREAT WESTERN & SOUTHERN RAILWAY!!!!!

 

 

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It makes the lads who make those cast iron signs in china with such gems as C.I.E.R. Look like there doing a decent job

[minister_for_hardship]

  On 12/4/2021 at 7:47 PM, jhb171achill said:

Indeed, complete with clips of the CDR and the C & L.

The Irish name for Newport is wrong.

Ads over now....

Ten seconds into the next bit and it’s the GREAT WESTERN & SOUTHERN RAILWAY!!!!!

 

 

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And a background of 'Great Western Railway' posters. 

The still photos look correct, which is something i guess.

Edited April 12, 2021 by minister_for_hardship

[jhb171achill]

And yes, I just knew it - “the first and last trains carried the dead, thus fulfilling a prophecy”.....   

NONSENSE!

And they put my name in the credits.

Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!

As they say in the north, one is “scundered”!

jayyyysus, lads, if you ask people questions, at least listen to what they tell you!

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 12/4/2021 at 7:58 PM, jhb171achill said:

And yes, I just knew it - “the first and last trains carried the dead, thus fulfilling a prophecy”.....   

NONSENSE!

And they put my name in the credits.

Gaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!

As they say in the north, one is “scundered”!

jayyyysus, lads, if you ask people questions, at least listen to what they tell you!

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RTE needs a railway enthusiast full-time......... i swear twould stop 99 percent of these mistakes happening......i think this one was worse then the last one 

[minister_for_hardship]

How on earth did RTE manage documentaries in the past without dropping such clangers? I don't remember Ironing the Land or Off the Beaten Track being like this.

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:05 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

How on earth did RTE manage documentaries in the past without dropping such clangers? I don't remember Ironing the Land or Off the Beaten Track being like this.

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Even  RTE's "building ireland" a few years agk was great for its research. On the West Cork Railway episode I learned stuff!

[minister_for_hardship]

  On 12/4/2021 at 7:58 PM, jhb171achill said:

And yes, I just knew it - “the first and last trains carried the dead, thus fulfilling a prophecy”.....   

NONSENSE!

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That old chestnut just HAD to be wheeled out. I couldn't see them not using it.

[Galteemore]

The point of these programmes is not to convey information but feelings.  Part of a wider cultural trend - we just happen to spot this because we know the facts on this one. The intellectual roots of this lie way back with Rousseau and Nietzsche but I bet they weren’t named in the credits...... 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Galteemore

[minister_for_hardship]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:40 PM, Galteemore said:

The point of these programmes is not to convey information but feelings.  Part of a wider cultural trend - we just happen to spot this because we know the facts on this one. The intellectual roots of this lie way back with Rousseau and Nietzsche but I bet they weren’t named in the credits...... 

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Why bother asking experts, poor Jhb and others to contribute material, wasting their time, just make up stuff?

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:49 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Why bother asking experts, poor Jhb and others to contribute material, wasting their time, just make up stuff?

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Aye, with the information and material thry had, it seems like it would have been harder to do it unfactually then factually

[Galteemore]

You can then puff the piece up as having had expert input. Sadly, it can all be a bit of a Potemkin village with very little real substance. What matters is telling a nice story that gives warm and fuzzy feelings...I am an academic historian by training and have written a number of things.
 

It’s actually really hard to stick to the the facts when you have an attractive agenda or story to push, and the facts just don’t seem important. 

Edited April 12, 2021 by Galteemore

[jhb171achill]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:40 PM, Galteemore said:

The point of these programmes is not to convey information but feelings.  Part of a wider cultural trend - we just happen to spot this because we know the facts on this one. The intellectual roots of this lie way back with Rousseau and Nietzsche but I bet they weren’t named in the credits...... 

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Yes, I do get that............. I've calmed down now!  :-)

But yes, there's a serious disconnect in much historical research in this country. In my non-railway historical stuff, I see this all the time - an almost dismissive, cavalier approach to the proper presentation of ANY kind of history or historical project. "Ah sure, it's just old stuff, it'll do...."

This creeps into all types of museums, documentation of things historical, preservation schemes - you name it.

[Galteemore]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:56 PM, jhb171achill said:

Yes, I do get that............. I've calmed down now! 

But yes, there's a serious disconnect in much historical research in this country. In my non-railway historical stuff, I see this all the time - an almost dismissive, cavalier approach to the proper presentation of ANY kind of history or historical project. "Ah sure, it's just old stuff, it'll do...."

This creeps into all types of museums, documentation of things historical, preservation schemes - you name it.

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You can then puff the piece up as having had expert input. Sadly, it can all be a bit of a Potemkin village with very little real substance. What matters is telling a nice story that gives warm and fuzzy feelings...I am an academic historian by training,  and have written a number of things, so this stuff really interests me.  It’s actually really hard to stick to the the facts when you have an attractive agenda to push and the facts just don’t seem that binding. After all, one train looks just like another....

Edited April 12, 2021 by Galteemore

[Westcorkrailway]

Maybe if the programme itself was good That would be nice, but i watched it with my father with no railway afiliation to speak of. And he admits himself that its a bit boring and Enda kenny isn't a great host...

[minister_for_hardship]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:52 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

Aye, with the information and material thry had, it seems like it would have been harder to do it unfactually then factually

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Even a simple "who built this railway?" and not even get this half right. How do you even do this?

Alright I'm off to watch that Liverpool United play sportsball with Celtic Rangers.

Edited April 12, 2021 by minister_for_hardship

[jhb171achill]

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:05 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

How on earth did RTE manage documentaries in the past without dropping such clangers? I don't remember Ironing the Land or Off the Beaten Track being like this.

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True

 

  On 12/4/2021 at 8:10 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

Even  RTE's "building ireland" a few years agk was great for its research. On the West Cork Railway episode I learned stuff!

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Likewise, true.......

Again, it does beg questions the next time we're watching a programme about, say, the famine or the (forthcoming) stuff about the creation of the border 100 years ago, or "Ireland's involvement in----------" (fill in blanks)......... How much of it is ACCURATE, and how much is the stuff of poor, back-of-an-envelope "research"?

(Ah, sure, it's just oul stuff, sure it'll do. Stick in a pic of Stephenson's "Rocket"-Scotsman-thing, and put a flyin' snail on it...........)

[Galteemore]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:00 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Even a simple "who built this railway?" and not even get this half right.

Alright I'm off to watch that Liverpool United play sportsball with Celtic Rangers.

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I thought that was a camogie game.

[jhb171achill]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:00 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Even a simple "who built this railway?" and not even get this half right.

Alright I'm off to watch that Liverpool United play sportsball with Celtic Rangers.

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You missed it. Celtic Rangers won by two wickets, 4.25 to 1.17.

[minister_for_hardship]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:02 PM, Galteemore said:

I thought that was a camogie game.

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Shinty. It's all a bit the same.

Lads chasing a ball around a field.

[Lambeg man]

Sorry boys to read of your frustration at a TV show that I understand can not be received in the UK. Does not sound as if we in the UK are missing much.

I do not know if it has been noted on this site, but BBC 4 are currently repeating a BBC Northern Ireland production from 2015 called "Walk The Line". Nice little series. No pictures of A4's yet seen!

Edited April 12, 2021 by Lambeg man

[Westcorkrailway]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:10 PM, Lambeg man said:

Sorry boys to read of your frustration at a TV show that I understand can not be received in the UK. Does not sound as if we in the UK are missing much.

I do not know if it has been noted on this site, but BBC 4 are currently repeating a Northern Ireland production from 2015 called "Walk The Line". Nice little series. No pictures of A4's yet seen!

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Twould be like if they did a documentary about the Great Central railway, and showed big boy footage

[Lambeg man]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:10 PM, Lambeg man said:

a BBC Northern Ireland production from 2015 called "Walk The Line".

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I can only presume the series was originally broadcast in Northern Ireland only, as I have never seen any of these programmes before now. For anyone else in mainland Britain who has not seen them, previous editions are on the BBC I-player. The subject matter is abandoned railway lines in Northern Ireland.   

[Georgeconna]

  On 12/4/2021 at 9:24 PM, Lambeg man said:

I can only presume the series was originally broadcast in Northern Ireland only, as I have never seen any of these programmes before now. For anyone else in mainland Britain who has not seen them, previous editions are on the BBC I-player. The subject matter is abandoned railway lines in Northern Ireland.   

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It was on the Beeb the other week, A nice program too.

[jhb171achill]

I was always able to get RTE in the north, Steve.............