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That's a beauty, Brassnut. The livery is a unique one only carried by this locomotive and no other. She is one of a class built by the MGWR (who ordered the first of two batches of them) and the GSR and introduced into traffic between 1925 and 1930. Mostly withdrawn in the 1950s, a couple lasted in use into the very early 1960s.
They were colloquially known as "Woolwichs" because they were built from kits of parts brought in from the SECR in England. Officially they were K1a class (NOT "N" class as sometimes misquoted; these were the narrower-gauged similar locos in Britain!).
They were to be seen on the Dublin - Galway, Dublin - Cork, and Cork - Mallow - Waterford - Rosslare routes in particular. They were too big for branch lines and never went north.
That one you have, 388, was painted thus for a few short years in the late 1950s specially for the Cork - Rosslare line, in particular the "Rosslare Express". It left Cork in the early morning, and returned from Rosslare in the late afternoon.
All of the class entered traffic initially in all over grey, and several of the 26 (?) were never painted any other way. Most became lined green from 1945 onwards, though at least one, I believe, was painted plain black in the late fifties too.
In this form, therefore, its historically correct surrounding would be late 1950s CIE, with a mix of old GSWR wooden coaches, possibly a then-brand-new Park Royal or laminate, and the odd Bredin or 1951-3 era CIE coach....
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I think, Brassnut, it depends on whether you want to run just that one locomotive, or others with it. Obviously, if you want others, you'd need to get them - probably on ebay as I think they're otherwise "out of print".
It also depends whether you want your layout to operate prototypically, or "anything goes". If its the latter, well, you can run anything with anything, and paint it tartan and bright pink if you like it that way! I shudder to think of my early teen efforts on a bedroom 6ft x 4ft layout.... However, if accuracy is your thing, here are a few pointers.
The way your model is painted relates specifically to late 1950s on the Cork - Mallow - Waterford - Rosslare route. The type of coaching stock she wpould have hauled was (dirty, badly weathered!) "silver" laminates, and green ones too - also Park Royals, 1953 CIE stock, some old wooden carriages, generally of GSWR origin, and Bredins. This was just before orange and black came in, before many main line diesels, and before Craven carriages. Appropriate companion diesels would be silver or light green "A", "C" or "B101" classes. None of the American locos had yet been delivered, though when Murphy Models release their grey / yellow 121 next year, you could allow a bit of "poetic licence" and have one of those thrown into the mix.
Wagons - no bogies at that stage, no brown! All grey. If you buy Hornby or Bachmann ones, paint the wagon and chassis as well - black chassis, despite appearing on som many layouts so often, never ran in Ireland. Brown wagon - brown chassis. Grey wagon - grey chassis (and roof). In your time period, everything's grey; brown wouldn't start appearing until about 1970. Mostly a mix of wooden and corrugated-sided open wagons, and plain parcel vans ("H" vans - see Provincial Models website and email Leslie on this page).
Station buildings normally had green painted door frames, if wooden buildings cream background, and white window frames. There were, however, a few with other colours, e.g. light blue here and there in the Dublin area, and red and cream on a few stations in West Cork. In your area - green, cream, as above.
Have a look at some of the colour books that are about - the RPSI usually has a good stock of them, especially on the May tour. I am on that every year, and while its five months away, do remember and approach me on it at one of the stops and I'll keep you right.
If you have any specific questions, or there is anything particular you want to know when planning your layout, please just ask.
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I investigated N for a forthcoming project myself, having found out that 3D bodies are now available for a number of Irish diesels and Craven and Park Royal carriages. At that scale, while not technically correct, one or two varieties of British goods vans would have been (for me, anyway) a reasonable approximation to "H" vans and open wagons. As you say, Tony, much greater possibilities exist in this scale. The only downside was the amount or preparation and decoration of the somewhat crude 3D prints, as i was advised. I have little doubt that with more and more people living in ever-smaller accommodation, N will resurge in the years to come, and maybe then some Provincial Wagons / Murphy Models / IRM / SSM etc etc lookalikes (if not those entities themselves) will be able to see a potential market. With your big GNR / UTA interest, there are RTR mode;s of various 0.6.0s which might be altered to look vaguely GNR - stretching artistic licence a bit, had the "Derry Road" remained longer, it's probable that NCC "Jeeps" would have become a common sight. there are various 2.6.4T locos which, again, might be altered to look good. The UTA inherited a lot of NCC coaching stock, much of which was ordinary LMS designs. Thus, some LMS stock repainted dark green would be fine, even though it was mostly ex-GN stock on the Derry Road. As the saying goes, "there's a million ways to skin a cat"!
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In the case of wagons, at that scale prototypical weathering will hide a lot of inconsistencies.
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2018 is IRM Midland 6-wheelers year!!! Weeeheeeee!
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Good to see the Guinness supplies are in!
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Superb! Extremely realistic - yet another gem on this fantastic layout.
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Many thanks, Noel and George. Happy Christmas!
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It is, or at any rate was, possible to get working semaphore signals, albeit upper quadrant LMS ones, completely unsuitable for any Irish layout. Has anyone any idea about the whys, wherefores and practicalities of motorising, for example, the Studio Scale Models Irish prototypes?
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Especially with a pic of a steam engine just above it, krose! Do the PC brigade allow us to call that locomotive Sambo nowadays? (I came across a note of a locomotive somewhere once called "Negro"; how times have changed!) The above engine was actually a bit of a mix of bits from other old locos, and might better have been called "Mongrel"! She's bearing gifts of IRM wagons..................?
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I love that ICR!!!!
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Ah! That would make perfect sense....
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Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to all here, and in the locations real and fictitious on our layouts!
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Fantastic work! Incidentally, does anyone know why some Bell containers had white roofs, others navy and purple / pink like the sides, and others all-white? I think the all-white ones may have been refrigerated or insulated - but the other variants?
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GNRi1959, that's exactly what I've always done, and in recent times did so again for my latest scheme which is a small country terminus. (Only, I used newspaper!). On the Peco website you can print out actual-size copies of points, which helps. Unless you're designing something vast and complicated, its WAY quicker, easier and (obviously!) cheaper than pocklin' about with track design programmes or apps. Tony - your layout construction so far, in the shed, looks superb and very well built.
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Bagged Cement Wagons - The Wagons with Wheels and Chains.
jhb171achill replied to Georgeconna's topic in Irish Models
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Bagged Cement Wagons - The Wagons with Wheels and Chains.
jhb171achill replied to Georgeconna's topic in Irish Models
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Yes, I can see that now, Patrick! If I'm ever in the area, I'll refresh my PTS so I can operate!
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Bagged Cement Wagons - The Wagons with Wheels and Chains.
jhb171achill replied to Georgeconna's topic in Irish Models
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Yes, indeed, Patrick, that's common in a number of locations. Was just wondering. Normally, if crossing something though, they used left hand operation especially if they had two passenger platforms. I'm presuming the road bridge also used as a footbridge? Either way, a superb layout indeed.
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Out of curiosity, though, how come the trains seem to cross with right hand running instead of left?
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I agree entirely with all of the posts above. This is one of the best layouts I've ever seen in a number of ways. First, the scenery; I am studying it closely as inspiration for what I'm in the process of now. The prototypical operation is exactly what makes it come to life, and have such an atmosphere. This layout is truly a work of art. A miniature world. Look at the goods stock. We have so, so, many top class, excellent layouts, with long goods trains of standard BR goods stock of types nothing like anything that ran here. This one has "proper" Irish stock. What a difference. Nobody would put a GWR pannier tank on a model of a suburban train to Cobh, so why BR goods stock on a layout set in rural Ballygobackwards? Finally, the lack of clutter. For realism, it's better a field full of brambles, than a town, refinery, bus station, port and dear knows what else crammed into a corner beside the track. Top class - does it go to exhibitions?
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Wow!!!! Outstanding! Much as anyone would hate to lay a finger on a bubble as it is, the weathering looks A1 on those weathered ones.... I find myself becoming a great fan of weathering. Anything that ever came out of a paint shop would be shiny for its first or second journey only, so an entire shiny train never looks quite right! I like the light touches on the locos and passenger stock above also - looks extremely realistic.
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Reminds me of a summer holiday in North Wales in 1969. Most trains were of several varieties of first-generation railcars, or "DMUs" as themmuns over there call them. Some were green, with or without front yellow patches. Others were all-blue. And then a class 23 (I think?) would charge last en route to Holyhead with a lengthy string of maroon or blue and grey coaches behind it. I missed steam there by no more than 2 years. But we still had it at home on the Larne line! Just for a while longer.....
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If in any shape or form you end up with a continuous run round, it would be better to have it right round the walls of the shed instead of crossing from one side to the other in the middle, I would have thought. Again, entirely intended as completely constructive criticism. The project I've started has had me scratching my head in planning stages for a very long time before it got started, on account of my own issues of severe lack of space. It's always the design which is initially so important, as once it's made, it's often more trouble than its worth to correct design flaws.
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Irish Railway Models to Release Cement Bubble in Iconic Orange Livery
jhb171achill replied to Warbonnet's topic in News
Interesting pic of Barry's. The weather was possibly dull that day, because in reality they looked just very slightly brighter - basically the same orange-tan as carriages, or Donald's face.... The correct shade of brown is also evident on the van. Modern wagon brown is more reddish, but these vans were long gone before the newer brown was in use.
