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Spot on Glenderg. The "quiet man" green can clearly be seen to match that "snail" in Headhunters... They would have been from the same pot. This is the very green that CIE inherited from the DUTC. An actual DUTC crest can be seen above the CIE one in that display. As for Bullied's SR green, that never happened. The DCDR and RPSI green are actually the same - or more or less - and in fact that photo of the CIE train shows slightly light from my recollection. As I mentioned, the earlier darker CIE green may also be seen on 800 "Maedb".

Excellent, Mayner! Did u catch its number? On that side it's been obliterated....

The man in the middle is CIA, the one on the right CIE and the other MI5.

I should have added that many of the loco and coach liveries (but not all) have been highly accurately reproduced on stock in Cultra ad within the care of the ITG, DCDR and RPSI.

In connection with a matter raised in another post, it just occurred to me that a list of where actual examples of paint exist, thus providing a first-hand record of colour shades, might be of use to modellers / historians. The best resource by far is Headhunter's Railway Museum in Enniskillen. The collection of railway coats of arms are (uniquely) almost all mounted on boards painted with original paint. Here can be found actual GNR blue, CDRJC red, CIE dark green, GSR, BCDR and NCC maroon. The solitary example which does not conform is the GSWR crest, which is on GSR maroon instead of GSWR crimson lake. Locos 74 and 800 in Cultra are accurately painted, though the latter should have a "snail" instead of "G. S" for that livery. Obviously, the RPSI's unrepainted Cravens are still in authentic IE livery and at Downpatrick, coaches 1097 and 836 re in accurate GSW crimson lake. Loco 90 is also in accurate pre-1895 GSWR loo livery. These GSW liveries were verified with help from the NRM in York and the Institute of Mechanical Engineers in London. This is not exhaustive.... Whatever else I think of, I will post.

Yes, BSGSV, it was about that time. The IRRS also referred to the original tan as "golden brown", so you're in good company! It certainly had a brownish tint, though the unique La Grange "tan" was more light brown than anything else before or since. I've just had a few unrelated thoughts on liveries - see my separate post under tips and tricks!

If you watch a loco run round at Inch Abbey on the DCDR you will see a spring-loaded point in action - it is set for the passing loop and the loco goes through it from the platform road.

I seem to recall seeing both black and silver window frames quite a few years ago.... possibly there were other examples? Now, to be fair, I might be getting this mixed up with some NIR coaches which definitely had both silver and painted window frames at different times.

" CIE/IR/IE "orange/tan" is probably going to be as contentious an issue as CIE Green. " True, but it needn't be, as ample photographic evidence exists. As far as green is concerned, CIE used the dark brunswick green shade now to be seen on 800 in Cultra. This is original, as i have compared it with a board painted in the 1940s with the Dublin United Tramways green - which it was a direct copy of. No modern theories, no copies of paint on models, can overwrite this. The example I mention is to be seen as a background to the DUTC coat of arms on the wall of Headhunter's Railway Museum in Enniskillen, who I gave it to, along with a collection of other Irish railway coats of arms, all which bear ORIGINAL paint - for those interested! An original DUTC "Flying Snail" is there too - and the green matches 800. This is the dark green, not what 461 carries now, by the way. (Though to be fair, it is VERY close, and the RPSI as always did a SUPERB job!). This green existed from 1941 (DUTC), then 1945 (CIE) until the mid fifties. The light green which followed is on DCDR's TPO and the Dublin based RPSI Heritage set. So that's the green. Orange and derivitaves: The original from 1962 lasted until about 1988 / 90, when a lighter more "orangey" shade came in, as now seen on remaining Mk 3's. Locomotives started appearing in this shade from early 90s. The colour GM delivered the 071s in was no more orange than it was CIE green! It was a light brown colour, albeit with an orangy tint. Quite a dull shade - in fact, it even made the OLDER orange livery on carriages look very bright beside it.

They post-date the A, B, C, D, E, F & G classes, Josefstadt. Maybe "H" class would do.....

Very many thanks, gentlemen!

Learned Colleagues.... Just wondering who might be an expert on the above. I am hoping to put together an 009 gauge layout at some stage in the future, which would have in total some 30 - 35 turnouts arranged over five stations - one reasonably sized terminus and four other small ones. I am aware that wiring these is not at all like wiring traditional turnouts with insulated frogs (á la Peco Streamline). I am sure we have an expert among us who might be able to assist me with advice?

So are they now the 92600117071 class?!

This one would have been fitted - remains evident of bauxite reddish-brown livery..... and later version of NCC lettering.

TPO van needs black roof.....

Nelson - top class stuff, especially the weahering!

UP6936 - I suppose there's always room for an error somewhere... it has to be said though that the overall standard of Murphy's Models is absolutely stunning and we'd be a great deal poorer without them.... but in original livery they should not be the standard CIE orange.

Very impressive! Keep going, Nelson; you'll find all the help you need here - not that there's anything wrong with what you've done so far!

Not one of the various termini in Belfast, Dublin and Cork combined had five routes leaving from them....

Claremorris was known in days of yore as "The Crewe of the West". Strabane had five routes also: broad gauge to Derry and Omagh, narrow gauge to Derry, Letterkenny and Stranorlar.

The shade they were delivered in was considerably "browner" than the standard at the time; from my observations the model version has standard orange? I haven't seen one in the flesh but this would be incorrect. As suggested above, at first repaint they received "proper" CIE livery - including a correct sized and coloured logo on each end, rather than the slightly larger one with white surround as applied by La Grange. All were delivered in this La Grange version, thus all were in service in this livery. All were repainted as outlined above as and when repainting became due.

Steam loco builder - Manisty's, Dundalk?

Pubs as stations: The answer is the Dublin & Blessington. Now, TrainModel's questions.... Named locos on the GSR / CIE apart from those mentioned - Sir William Goulding 4.4.0, and "Pat" in the Cork coaling stage; "Jumbo" and "Sambo", the shunters at Waterford and Inchicore respectively. Also "Argadeen" and "St Molaga" on the T & C line in West Cork.

To moderators: perhaps a page could be sdet up within this site giving links to as many websites as possible, which show pics of Irish railways in the past and which might be of use to modellers?

I think they are the same.....