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Provincial wagons did one as an rtr but they'd be hard to find now, I suspect. Talk to Leslie @leslie10646 Hopefully, the original thread might be helpful

I think in your original posting of 7140 it has likely been rebranded as 'First' in the original ST livery and the windows and seats don't match as Mayner suggest. 7157 is 64F (correctly my typo in post above) for the outset and hence would match up as you say. My error on the cocktail, different books using the same suffix character to mean different things in different books). If you have a link or photo for 7157 it would be interesting to post it here. Always liked that photo of 7140 though.

Eoin, @murrayec probably the best view of the staff snatchers I've seen. I guess they were positioned wherever the signal cabin was (seems intuitive). The mechanical staff exchanger seems to be a paired unit as the jaws would have to face the approaching locomotive to receive the old token being dropped to the signalman. In your photo the catcher is set to expect a left hand running locomotive, with the other available for running in the opposite direction. It seems like the exchanger on the locomotive was raised manually by the chain on the right side in the last photo. Incidentally, it seems that photo is collecting on the right side the locomotive. The jaws of the tablet snatcher on the loco would always face the direction of travel which is not problem for twin cabbed loco but when the 121s ran bonnet first did they face the other direction initially and were subsequently reversed when they were obliged to run cab first instead, or maybe 121s didn't;t regularly rub on lines using mechanical exchangers at that time?

I certainly thought that this could be the reason. Possibly it was modified such that the attachment point was higher making retrieval easier, but the fork of the catch remained a the correct hight to Agree. The only pictures I have seen on the tablet snatcher device has been on the approach to the station so that the snatcher would be retracted passing the platform. Actually, I'm assuming the the device retracted automatically once the exchange was made, or was easily/quickly performed before picking up non-intending passengers from the platform

They wouldn't line up as most of the Mk3s had 9 sets of 8 seats facing across 2 tables but only 8 windows per coach side. The occasional one has one set removed for wheelchair spaces but the spring remained the same. 7157 was also listed as a Super Standard 64F fitted with a cocktail bar (Traction & Travel, Jones '87, '89 & Irish Railways, Fox '96) and 7104, 7133 & 7156 as 48F (Jones & Marshall, 2004). 7161 & 7162 became Executive coaches by then but no further info on 7140 at all. Incidentally Mk3s are mentioned in IRRS journals about Vol16 pp.42, 43, 95, 151, 152, 205, 251, 252,315, 360, 363, 364, 420, 421 Vol. 17 pp.49,50, 88, 147, 283, 307 Vol. 18 pp.252, 253 Vol. 19 pp. 93,124,247 Vol. 19 pp. 344, 398, 447, 448 & Vol. 20 pp.26, 54, 140, 204, 254, 292, 389, 444 so may concentrate your efforts there

Photobucket has screwed this thread like so many others

Yes, I saw that and assumed it was the original anchor point for the snatcher. In later photos it appear that the original mounting has been plated over removing those mounts. I don't know exactly why they would have needed to be in a more elevated position, clearance above some new platform object? I not even sure when the automatic snatchers were first used and finally ceased manual exchange seemingly more common as time went by

It is indeed. GSWR standard lengths increased to 57' c.1908 but the 1914/15 52S lavatory tricomposites set a new future standard in coach building by having steel instead of wooden under frames and elliptical roofs versus the mostly vertical walled flat-roofed coaching stock that had gone before possibly why they enjoyed a working life of over 50 years into the 1960s. The two 7'3" 1st class centre compartments had their own lavatory and electrical lighting as did the two 6'6" second class on the right. Three 6' third class compartments on the left while more significantly more frugally appointed also had their own lavatory a major advancement for the GWSR renowned for its disdain of third class passengers. I/m not entirely why they're numbered out of sequence with only the 4 in service ten years later in 1924 per Dave's diagram. I'm thinking that if Dave can post some of these diagrams that the majority of this thread might be moved to a more appropriate forum for future reference?

A GSWR Lav tricomposite even better!

Set1 24122, 24127 & 24132 Set2 24133, 24138 & 24141 Set3 24254, 24253 & 24142

Were the tablet catchers moved upwards at some point or was there a 'set' position (lower) and a' retrieved/inactive' position higher up? In all of the original grey and yellow liveries the tablet catcher is set lower on the loco and does not reach the cab side side window (which doesn't appear to have been altered) whereas, in many/most BnT livery and after, the catchers (where present) seem to reach the base of the side window

Lovely magnesite wagons, Dave ....and rebuilt A24 of course!

Yes, please Dave

Thanks Richard and Leslie

They weren't .... and even in Ernie's great collection alone you can see pictures of 121s without the MU socket to connect the cable for multiple working. MU socket with cable Double heading in Supertrain 1978 including 122 with visible MU sock on the cab end also 122 in 1970s Supertrain without any evidence of a MU socket on the bonnet end yet (the end usually coupled in consist with another 121 as with 130 above, but they were also fitted on the cab end) The handrails were generally fitted from 1971 onwards to 121 catwalks B121 in 1974 with handrails still in BnT livery coupled to 141 Supertrain Apologies Ernie for posting so many links to your album

So the tan roundel about '62/63 but some As in black with numbers only , no roundel. This seems to have been the norm for a bit before the tan roundel was introduced on the black livery (actually no IRM black A with the tan roundel but I'm much happier to have the yellow warning panels version, so no criticism intended). Then, all white roundel introduced post '65 although I have observed As and some Cs with the tan roundels through at least '69, maybe followed by the standard white roundel after that. Crikey, I though they had disappeared before the green was through at least

I'll need a new home for all these models if I don't have to get a new home for myself first!

The first will probably set you back EUR40 for postage and the clever dicks in Irish customs will want a percentage as there is no free import allowance like in the US. There they won't even bother with anything less than $200. Be aware the item is likely the US version with a 120V AC adapter and plug unless it's going to share with an existing layout with three pin plug on 240v AC in. The second doesn't post to UK and likely not Ireland but you could enquire.

I was going to ask the (very busy) mods to delete the erroneous thread but let's leave it for kicks now! I do like the plot ..... This is for a movie, Jim .... or are we talking something else here.....?

Not sure. An original might be? Not in my locality I'm afraid

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"GSWR Carriage Diagrams" by H Richards & B Pender a 1975 Transport Research Associates, re-print of the 1924 GSWR Carriage Diagram Book I have been looking for a copy of this for the last several years and should have probably started on here first. If anyone has a copy, original or reprint, that the would be willing to part with, donate to a fellow modeler, sell, loan, put on a 99-year lease, lose in my general vicinity etc. I would appreciate if you would kindly PM me. Thank you

They're still very popular and could probably do with a re-run at an appropriate time (which might not be now with so much new Irish stock coming on line including the 121). Marks commissioned an additional run of the IE version which was very popular. Hopefully some 141s will come back onto the market as hoarded and excess stock is offloaded to purchase newer Irish items so there isn't a repetition of the Lima 201 model scenario. It would be nice to have any Irish model on display and available to purchase at any point in an ideal world and although some of the IRModels stock have sold out, they are at least issuing early additional releases rather than sticking the moulds in the vault like Disney videos. As for the 121, hold back the price of a pint each week (like an extended Lent) and you have money up front before they arrive.

I was going through the color schemes on the IRModels site and noticed the white from band on the rebuilt BnT locoa seem to be missing the band above the headlight. Admittedly the band is pretty filthy in most shots with grime from the roof or the lamp itself maybe. I'm sure that just a fine tuning item. Does anyone know if the flying snail was applied to A1 before going into service and when the sandboxes were finally removed? When was the tan CIE roundel applied to the black livery in general? When did the pale CIE super train roundel come into being? Thanks

John, @Mayner What's your reference for older pre-CIE or pre-GSR stock I have a few books on the GSWR etc but very hard to find a reference for rolling stock as opposed to the locos themselves? Thanks