Sheds.

[Broithe]

Discussions elsewhere might lead to clogging up threads with talk of sheds.

We could have examples of the "housing issue" here, to keep things organised and show/examine details of the various possibilities that exist.

I'm (slowly) reorganising this one.

Cavity blocks and a steel roof, but I did put in an insulated plasterboard ceiling, just before the Plague hit.

Edited November 24, 2022 by Broithe

[murphaph]

A fine structure indeed. It actually looks like you'd be able to add external wall insulation relatively cheaply and easily yourself, unless it's built right up to the boundary and the neighbour would object to the overhang?

[Broithe]

2 hours ago, murphaph said:

A fine structure indeed. It actually looks like you'd be able to add external wall insulation relatively cheaply and easily yourself, unless it's built right up to the boundary and the neighbour would object to the overhang?

That might happen one day, but it hasn't really been an issue - the fire helps and only burns €1 to €1:50 of wood a day.

I did use it to 'isolate' for a couple of fortnights during the Plague, to avoid potentially contaminating the house - hence the camp bed and sleeping bag.

Another possibility is to 'glaze in' the space between the greenhouse and the window, there's a lot of free heat to be had there.

Baking the wood in the greenhouses definitely had a hugely beneficial effect on the efficiency.

[murrayec]

Excellent,

I have another shed happening as well as the 'Lathe Shed' I'll post up a few photos soon- this one is a timber 2.4x1.2m shed taken from my brother's place and am using it for shelving storage to keep the Lathe Shed as clear as possible.

Eoin.

 

[Andy Cundick]

My next project is a tractor shed as my Fordson has been evicted from the garage to make way for my Jowett Bradford van (useful layout hauler) Andy.

[Broithe]

22 minutes ago, murrayec said:

shelving storage

On the basis that there's no point having it if you can't find it, shelving has been a large part of the recent renovations.

Any area of 'dead volume', behind the door, along the eaves, etc, has been filled with shelving, so that stuff can be stored in a visible manner.

This is an ongoing project, with the intention, so far unachieved, of keeping the benches clear of tools and materials that aren't actually in use.

[Galteemore]

Looks good. Although if that’s an ingredients shelf above the food mixer I’d be reluctant to partake in any cake or buns at your house….

[leslie10646]

8 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Looks good. Although if that’s an ingredients shelf above the food mixer I’d be reluctant to partake in any cake or buns at your house….

Oh, Come on, David, the mixer is for grinding up surface scatter, as recommended in all the Good Books.

There must be suitable Biblical quote, but I can't think of one offhand. (Parable of sewer, perhaps .....).

(Filling in the car parking form for Warley has addled my brain)

[Broithe]

The mixer is mostly for the birds.

They do like to supervise the process.

 

When I was living in the Shed, people sometimes commented on the amount of alcohol in the larder, but nobody ever noticed the bottle of meths in the middle.

 

I did build the cooker in, when the benches were rearranged, to avoid going back up to the house unnecessarily.

2 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

Oh, Come on, David, the mixer is for grinding up surface scatter, as recommended in all the Good Books.

There must be suitable Biblical quote, but I can't think of one offhand. (Parable of sewer, perhaps .....).

(Filling in the car parking form for Warley has addled my brain)

For the shepherds have become stupid
And have not sought the Lord;
Therefore they have not prospered,
And all their flock is scattered.                         Jeremiah 10:21

When the truly righteous would have used a proper electrostatic machine.

Or, have you led me into discussing religion..?

[jhb171achill]

On the ninth day the Lord created a layout. And lo, it was equipped with DCC, scenery and a herd of shepherds who bore the correct livery. But Satan did smite it with a stable in the gauge of N....................

(Ist Gricers, 3.5)

[murrayec]

'Shelving' that's my main problem in the workshop, none left!

Other tools and equipment are stored in the attic and the 'Coal Shed' both full to the brim!

Hence the need for a 'Shelving Shed'

Eoin.

[Broithe]

Storage/retrieval is a serious issue, that you do have to confront, as best you can.

One thing I have been doing is mounting 'occasional' machinery on plywood plates, so they can be clamped (almost) anywhere when needed and stored away when the empty bench-space is more useful. 

They can then be used around the main shed or in the greenhouses.

The plates have an M6 T-nut sunk flush into the bottom of the plate and threaded rod to pull the machine down firmly.

 

[murrayec]

Yes I do the same, a lot of my tools are mounted on an MDF board which are clamped down like your photo above.

I use ujktechnology.co.uk T slots and clamping system on the low workbench which takes most of these mounted tools.

Eoin

 

[Broithe]

There is an island bench in the middle of the shed which is just a 'pile of stuff' at the moment. Eventually, it will have this ex-school workbench with a plywood extension behind it.

It'll be raised to the same height as the main bench along the back wall and provide a decent open workspace.

Thinking about the external insulation possibilities, the side with the window faces square east, and the side with the double doors faces south. There's a good bit of solar input on any half-decent day - the doors, particularly, get quite warm - so, I might just insulate the north and (shaded) west sides. Painting the sunny walls a bit darker has been on the cards anyway, as the glare is a bit trying in the summer. But, the glazing-in of the window/greenhouse space looks very enticing for the future.

The north wall is fully blank and the west wall has only the woodburner flue and the gas pipe defacing its smoothness.

[murrayec]

Photos of the 'Shelving Shed'

It's your common 2.4x1.2m timber garden shed with tar sheet roof, tight headroom and a 'Duck' door head.

All the timber was liberally oiled with Creocoat and then a few mods were made.

The floor was insulated with aeroboard and silver stuff- the floor is upside down in the photos.

The ground was prepared by removing the sod, levelling with gravel, installing level bricks with a bit of dpc stuck on top.

Floor down sitting on the dpc/bricks.

The walls up, their sitting on a dpc dressed down over the floor and will be carried up the inside of the walls. the walls were screw fixed with galvanised steel L brackets- so easy to dismantle if needs.  I added a few roof frames to give extra support to the roof- these type of shed roofs always droop in the middle!

Aeroboard being installed in the walls. Not much room here, I want an air gap behind the wall sheeting so I installed 12x12mm strips adjacent the studs and then fitted 18mm boards on top of the strips- flush with the inner face of the studs.

Silver stuff was then installed on the walls, the ceiling will be later as I am insulating the roof on the outside and finishing with corrugated iron sheeting, so holding off silvering.

Shelving going in,

Yet to do the electrics and the roof......

Eoin.

Edited November 30, 2022 by murrayec

[Closet modeller]

As usual a master at work. It is astonishing how much a small shed can accommodate! 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Closet modeller

[Broithe]

On 25/11/2022 at 7:17 PM, Broithe said:

There is an island bench in the middle of the shed which is just a 'pile of stuff' at the moment. Eventually, it will have this ex-school workbench with a plywood extension behind it.

It'll be raised to the same height as the main bench along the back wall and provide a decent open workspace.

Thinking about the external insulation possibilities, the side with the window faces square east, and the side with the double doors faces south. There's a good bit of solar input on any half-decent day - the doors, particularly, get quite warm - so, I might just insulate the north and (shaded) west sides. Painting the sunny walls a bit darker has been on the cards anyway, as the glare is a bit trying in the summer. But, the glazing-in of the window/greenhouse space looks very enticing for the future.

The north wall is fully blank and the west wall has only the woodburner flue and the gas pipe defacing its smoothness.

The rebuild of the centre bench is (mostly) done. There will be some additions to the storage zone beneath the top at some point.

It's at the same height as the bench along the rear wall, which has proven itself to be 'right for me' and it means that big stuff can be laid across the gap between the two, if necessary.

 

I've moved onto the run of shelving along the back wall. This is not straightforward, for various reasons, but it is progressing in stages. The battens are up for the right-hand half. I need to produce beams for the hangers and relocate some of the electrics now.

I replaced the fluorescent tube with six 5W GU10 LEDs. A better spread of light, a nicer colour and a 'floppy hang', if they do ever get hit by anything.

I did get a laser cross-beam projector level from Lidl and it has proven to be a God-send in all this work. Well worth €30 in time saved and cock-ups averted.

 

Lidl also had some self-adhesive steel metre tapes. Having one mounted on the bench seemed a potentially good idea, but I felt that it needed to be 'inlaid', rather than just stuck on the surface. I have some router bits here, but the router itself is 200 miles away. However, I managed to codge up a device to do the fairly lightweight job - from a cordless drill and a Wolfcraft drilling jig. Used with care, it did a better job than I expected.

I only needed a half-inch wide groove by about half a millimetre deep. This was done with a 12mm cutter, so it needed a slight nudge sideways for a second pass for the required width.

It all worked well and the tape is installed now.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Broithe

[Broithe]

On 29/3/2023 at 7:51 PM, Broithe said:

I've moved onto the run of shelving along the back wall. This is not straightforward, for various reasons, but it is progressing in stages. The battens are up for the right-hand half. I need to produce beams for the hangers and relocate some of the electrics now.

I replaced the fluorescent tube with six 5W GU10 LEDs. A better spread of light, a nicer colour and a 'floppy hang', if they do ever get hit by anything.

I did get a laser cross-beam projector level from Lidl and it has proven to be a God-send in all this work. Well worth €30 in time saved and cock-ups averted.

After the apocalyptic weather yesterday, today was nice enough to slice up the sheets for the shelves - outdoors, a much less messy location - just blow the sawdust away.

I removed the chipboard cupboard that has been there for 25 years and attached more battens, plus the hanging rods to support the front edges of the shelves.

A little trimming, a few suspension holes and cable notches, then the shelves could go up - an intricate sequential operation, but it was achieved with no great mishap.

There's still a bit to do - plates to stiffen up the joints between each panel, trimming the suspension hangers and moving the sockets, so the drawer cabinets can fit the space better, etc.

But, I now have another fifty feet of shelving, that should do for now.

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Broithe
Removed duplicate picture.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

On 25/11/2022 at 7:17 PM, Broithe said:

There is an island bench in the middle of the shed which is just a 'pile of stuff' at the moment. Eventually, it will have this ex-school workbench with a plywood extension behind it.

It'll be raised to the same height as the main bench along the back wall and provide a decent open workspace.

Thinking about the external insulation possibilities, the side with the window faces square east, and the side with the double doors faces south. There's a good bit of solar input on any half-decent day - the doors, particularly, get quite warm - so, I might just insulate the north and (shaded) west sides. Painting the sunny walls a bit darker has been on the cards anyway, as the glare is a bit trying in the summer. But, the glazing-in of the window/greenhouse space looks very enticing for the future.

The north wall is fully blank and the west wall has only the woodburner flue and the gas pipe defacing its smoothness.

Beautiful bench

1 hour ago, Broithe said:

After the apocalyptic weather yesterday, today was nice enough to slice up the sheets for the shelves - outdoors, a much less messy location - just blow the sawdust away.

I removed the chipboard cupboard that has been there for 25 years and attached more battens, plus the hanging rods to support the front edges of the shelves.

A little trimming, a few suspension holes and cable notches, then the shelves could go up - an intricate sequential operation, but it was achieved with no great mishap.

There's still a bit to do - plates to stiffen up the joints between each panel, trimming the suspension hangers and moving the sockets, so the drawer cabinets can fit the space better, etc.

But, I now have another fifty feet of shelving, that should do for now.

 

Very satisfying work

[Broithe]

Seeing @Gabhal Luimnigh's shed progressing so nicely elsewhere, it occurred to me that security can be an issue in some locations.

I'm lucky enough to the services of a self-appointed Security Officer, who has controlled rodent activities very successfully.

Indeed, so successful has she been at her chosen profession that she has felt able, this winter, to take on additional duties as Fire Warden.

It is only recently, after three years, that I have found out her postal address, when I called to a household where she was dining, and discovered that they believe that they 'own' her. With everybody out in the daytime most days, they've had no idea of what extracurricular activities she has taken on.

 

However, I am no longer allowed on the furniture.

[skinner75]

You could do various era vans too - sheet the outside, and paint it yellow for the PWay plough van look for example, with the 'porch/veranda' at one end

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

2 hours ago, Broithe said:

Seeing @Gabhal Luimnigh's shed progressing so nicely elsewhere, it occurred to me that security can be an issue in some locations.

I'm lucky enough to the services of a self-appointed Security Officer, who has controlled rodent activities very successfully.

Indeed, so successful has she been at her chosen profession that she has felt able, this winter, to take on additional duties as Fire Warden.

It is only recently, after three years, that I have found out her postal address, when I called to a household where she was dining, and discovered that they believe that they 'own' her. With everybody out in the daytime most days, they've had no idea of what extracurricular activities she has taken on.

 

However, I am no longer allowed on the furniture.

Loyalty is not top of a cat's agenda I'm afraid, comfort is though! 

2 hours ago, skinner75 said:

You could do various era vans too - sheet the outside, and paint it yellow for the PWay plough van look for example, with the 'porch/veranda' at one end

Are you talking to me or Broithe?

[murrayec]

I have 3 cats that hang in the garden, their not mine, but all the neighbours think they are!

I don't allow them in the sheds, they do try, last time one got in the squirt smell lasted for weeks!!

Eoin

[Broithe]

23 minutes ago, murrayec said:

I have 3 cats that hang in the garden, their not mine, but all the neighbours think they are!

I don't allow them in the sheds, they do try, last time one got in the squirt smell lasted for weeks!!

Eoin

Until late last year, the shed was not considered to be part of her responsibilities, but, with the door open all day in the warmer weather, it was decided to check the internal area as well. Before that point, she would just sit on the doorstep, protecting the open entrance from unauthorised incursions.

So far, she has proved to be well-behaved - probably better than me.

Occasionally, other cats do venture into the garden, but they are not treated as colleagues, or even welcomed as visitors.

As for the smell issue, she seems able to put up with me...

Edited February 27 by Broithe

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Hey lad, what breed of stove is that in your cosy shed?

[Broithe]

34 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Hey lad, what breed of stove is that in your cosy shed?

Stanley Waterford 104 Mk II.

[WRENNEIRE]

You haven't lived unless you had one of these
Made the best toast ever, just plank the slice on the top mmmm.......
Could do with a lick of Blacklead.

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

19 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said:

You haven't lived unless you had one of these
Made the best toast ever, just plank the slice on the top mmmm.......
Could do with a lick of Blacklead.

 

Jaysus Dave that pipe looks a bit askew

[Broithe]

1 hour ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Made the best toast ever, just plank the slice on the top mmmm.......

Toast done with a toasting fork + butter and local honey.

This is from the time of using the shed to isolate during the early days of the Great Plague.

I also did cheese on toast, but the cheese bit was done under the grill on the gas cooker.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

19 minutes ago, Broithe said:

Toast done with a toasting fork + butter and local honey.

This is from the time of using the shed to isolate during the early days of the Great Plague.

I also did cheese on toast, but the cheese bit was done under the grill on the gas cooker.

Perfect

[irishthump]

Since it's show and tell time....

I built this shed during the pandemic, 11ftx13ft if I remember correctly. The inside is like a bomb hit it right now.....

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Exactly this week 9 years ago thankfully! I put this up and it's been well worth it.

 

[murrayec]

I eventually got the insulation and corrugated sheeting on the roof of the 'Shelving Shed';-

The roof was extended out to give a bit of porch cover to the door for those rainy days. The locking and hinge system was also upgraded for better security.

The timber purlins were fixed down on top of the existing tar roof finish, 80mm thick styrene insulation was installed again on top of the tar sheeting, then the corrugated sheets. Timber barges and eaves are next, there will also be metal barge pressings when the timbers are done.

More later......

Eoin

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Great work lad, is that an aeroplane hanger beside it?

[Broithe]

31 minutes ago, murrayec said:

The locking and hinge system was also upgraded for better security.

I was once asked to get into a shed, after the owner had clicked the padlock with the keys still inside.

I suggested that he go and put the kettle on, whilst I pondered the matter - when he came out with the tea, I handed him the keys - he searched for the 'damage that I might have done', in order to get in, but could find none.

I had just unscrewed the hinges, opened the door, using the lock side as the hinge, retrieved the keys and put the hinge screws back in. He was a bit 'security conscious' and was horrified by the ease of this method. I went back later and put a bolt through the hinges, with lock-nuts on the inside, after I persuaded him to get a second key. This made him happy again, so I didn't point out all the other ways I could have got in - the windows, for example, were fitted from the outside and just held in with a few panel pins, etc...