Noel Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 Interesting spotted this little Irish gem on Hattons web site yesterday. Due middle of next winter apparently. Pre-Orders for now. Has a lighting option. https://www.hattons.co.uk/1056113/hattons_originals_h4_6fb_1703_6_wheel_full_brake_79_in_cie_black_tan/stockdetail 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius43 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 There’s quite a variety as posted here. Have a few on order myself. If the GWR and GNR versions are anything to go by, these should be very nice indeed. Cheers Darius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 I think that's the only one I don't have on pre-order as it's too late for my "alternate" era. I am collecting a few odds n' ends from the grey n' green now but drew the line there or else "era creep" sets in and before I know it I will be looking for original livery B141s! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 35 minutes ago, murphaph said: I think that's the only one I don't have on pre-order as it's too late for my "alternate" era. I am collecting a few odds n' ends from the grey n' green now but drew the line there or else "era creep" sets in and before I know it I will be looking for original livery B141s! Give it time and you'll turn into a major creep! Perhaps @BosKonay could merge this new thread with his original thread on the topic? Likewise with the two threads on the Hornby Rustons? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Noel said: Interesting spotted this little Irish gem on Hattons web site yesterday. Due middle of next winter apparently. Pre-Orders for now. Has a lighting option. https://www.hattons.co.uk/1056113/hattons_originals_h4_6fb_1703_6_wheel_full_brake_79_in_cie_black_tan/stockdetail Yip have this on order along with a pack of green CIE ones. Nice to see Hatton's supporting the Irish scene. Edited March 25, 2023 by Patrick Davey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Noel said: Interesting spotted this little Irish gem on Hattons web site yesterday. Due middle of next winter apparently. Pre-Orders for now. Has a lighting option. https://www.hattons.co.uk/1056113/hattons_originals_h4_6fb_1703_6_wheel_full_brake_79_in_cie_black_tan/stockdetail Has this not been announced for months?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: Has this not been announced for months?!?! Yes, see @Darius43 posted the link to the original thread by @BosKonay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted March 25, 2023 Author Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said: Has this not been announced for months?!?! Yes, apologies, I only noticed the B&T van on their website yesterday. Was aware of the GSWR six wheelers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) The only six-wheelers to enter the black’n’tan livery were about half a dozen full vans which survived the final cull of all remaining passenger-carrying 6-wheelers in 1963. Two are known to have ended up black’n’tan. One or two more MIGHT have. The other one or two ended their lives still green, but within the black’n’tan era. Edited March 27, 2023 by jhb171achill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 hours ago, jhb171achill said: The only six-wheelers to enter the black’n’tan livery were about half a dozen full vans which survived the final cull of all remaining passenger-carrying 6-wheelers in 1963. Two are known to have ended up black’n’tan. One or two more MIGHT have. The other one or two ended their lives still green, but within the black’n’tan era. So we'd be a few years into the black n' tan era before any of these would have been repainted most probably or is there any evidence that any of these were repainted soon after the livery change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moxy Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 According to this post from the other thread It appears one was repainted as early as 1964. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Moxy, you're correct about the 1964 Joint Tour. But I have Lance King's shots of the 1962 IRRS St Pat's Day tour to Youghal when six wheel van No.18 in BnT was pulled along behind No.207 Boyne at no less than 78mph (in the Goold's Cross dip). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Moxy said: According to this post from the other thread It appears one was repainted as early as 1964. Nothing like a photo Edited March 27, 2023 by flange lubricator 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Moxy said: According to this post from the other thread It appears one was repainted as early as 1964. Correct, you beat me to it! Another was painted in very early 1963. So, 18, 69, 1077 and possibly 79 ended up BnT. All ex-GSWR, all full brakes. Edited March 27, 2023 by jhb171achill 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 hours ago, murphaph said: So we'd be a few years into the black n' tan era before any of these would have been repainted most probably or is there any evidence that any of these were repainted soon after the livery change? I’m not sure about that either. As far as I’m aware some of the older coaches were some of the first to be repainted! A proof few GSWR/GSR bogey coaches were painted black and tank in 1962/63 in cork. Though I could have sworn I’ve seen the livery on 6 wheelers in 1962. Why apply this livery to anchient coaches? I’m not sure. Maybe it was because they were due for a paint anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said: I’m not sure about that either. As far as I’m aware some of the older coaches were some of the first to be repainted! A proof few GSWR/GSR bogey coaches were painted black and tank in 1962/63 in cork. Though I could have sworn I’ve seen the livery on 6 wheelers in 1962. Why apply this livery to anchient coaches? I’m not sure. Maybe it was because they were due for a paint anyway. They repainted a very few full vans as they knew they’d be using them a bit longer. And yes, it just so happened that all of these were GSWR in origin, even though there still the odd Midlland one about. Since they knew that all passenger carrying 6-wheelers were for the chop, not one of those was ever black’n’tan even for a short time. Many wooden-bodied bogies of all types became BnT. Mostly GSWR & GNR, but a handful of MGWR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchline121 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, flange lubricator said: Nothing like a photo Or a video https://youtube.com/watch?v=_f14V9s-7s0 Edited March 27, 2023 by Branchline121 Fixed link. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Branchline121 said: Or a video https://youtube.com/watch?v=_f14V9s-7s0 Ok how have I missed this video - it's knockout!! Thanks for sharing!! Cracking variety of locations and motive power throughout, steam into Ardee, B&T diesel at Warrenpoint, NCC mogul on the Antrim branch....scenes at Pomeroy..... superb. The early sequence (from around 01:00) of Newry Edward St. seems to have been taken post-1965 closure so after the rest of the footage I think? I wonder were any forum members on board this wonderful outing..... did I notice an angelic @leslie10646 at one point I wonder....? Fantastic video - getting another watch now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 5 hours ago, Patrick Davey said: ..... did I notice an angelic @leslie10646 at one point I wonder....? Angelic? Leslie10646? What on earth are ye smoking, Mr D! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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