The Conspiracy Thread

[DJ Dangerous]

While these crackpot conspiracy theories and sovereign citizen movements drive me crazy due to the lack of analytical and critical thinking, maybe we should have a little thread where those who wish to ramble can offer their theories for scrutiny by the level-headed.

The way I see it, if you don't like the law of the land, you have four options.

1. Break the law.

2. Respect the law.

3. Get yourself elected and change the law.

4. Move somewhere else.

 

 

On 16/8/2024 at 3:08 PM, skinner75 said:

Ah, the 'living man' bit - sounds to me like the 'sovereign citizen' schtick... 

The videos of these eejits driving, sorry 'travelling', without a driving license thinking they have the system played are hilarious when reality bites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwBYT4Dw_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3SNsTZ2YVk

 

 

[Horsetan]

7 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

While these crackpot conspiracy theories and sovereign citizen movements drive me crazy due to the lack of analytical and critical thinking, maybe we should have a little thread where those who wish to ramble can offer their theories for scrutiny by the level-headed.

The way I see it, if you don't like the law of the land, you have four options.

1. Break the law.

2. Respect the law.

3. Get yourself elected and change the law.

4. Move somewhere else.

 

There is an Irish variant of no.1, which is to "Ignore the law".... It's so popular that increasing numbers of the British are adopting it.

[gibbo675]

On 18/8/2024 at 1:14 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

While these crackpot conspiracy theories and sovereign citizen movements drive me crazy due to the lack of analytical and critical thinking, maybe we should have a little thread where those who wish to ramble can offer their theories for scrutiny by the level-headed.

The way I see it, if you don't like the law of the land, you have four options.

1. Break the law.

2. Respect the law.

3. Get yourself elected and change the law.

4. Move somewhere else.

 

 

 

Hi DJ,

This post is neither religious nor political it is to outline how law functions despite reference to the Bible.

All law has its foundations upon trust relationship, breach any trust you care to mention and the law is broken.

Speaking in terms of law and not religion the Bible is a book of law, the very reason it is used in courts of law.

The Old Testament is about the law of creation [God] and that creators must not be harmed. We as men and women have thoughts and as such are all creators and therefore must not be harmed. We are all present in this realm we call life and we must account for our actions according to the ten commandments.

The New Testament is about the law of incorporation that is where contracts between bodies, that is any corporation that is represented by a man or woman be that Exxon Mobil or yourself as Mr whoever you are.

The videos you note are instances where living souls, those "acting" as police included, don't understand how to administer the law for they are not claiming their status in law correctly or they are ignorant of claims made. The word act is most important for the police may not harm living souls however, should those living should claim to be corporate entities they immediately become property of the government through contract.

In the UK all contracts made through incorporation are regulated by, The Bills of Exchange Act 1882, there will be similar in Ireland, and living souls are protected from false arrest by corrupt police constables under section 26 of the Criminal Courts and Justice Act 2015, again there will be similar in Ireland.

In short your mind is your property until you make a contract which is seen in law as a meeting of the minds, at the moment of making contract you are then bound to the conditions of the contract in the case of contracting with a government those conditions are statutes, all of which must be followed by all parties concerned including the police and the courts. Obviously those are the details they don't tell you in school.

As I said I'm writing a book about all this and my research mainly focus' upon reading books such as Schopenhauer's, The World as Will and Representation, Adam Smith's, The wealth of Nations, along with, HM Government Statutes, High Court Judgements and researching the precise meanings of words in as many dictionaries as I can find.

Its all done by consent, I'm on this forum [society] by both the consent of IRM and myself, I can't force IRM to have me and they can't force me to join. Terms and conditions apply.

Gibbo.

[minister_for_hardship]

It would be interesting to know how many court cases are won with freeman pseudo legal arguments. I'm guessing zero.

[DJ Dangerous]

I have no response to that...

[Horsetan]

On 21/8/2024 at 11:23 AM, minister_for_hardship said:

It would be interesting to know how many court cases are won with freeman pseudo legal arguments. I'm guessing zero.

I've seen at least one fool around here driving his minibus on "Sovereign Citizen" registration plates. The institutionally-useless Met haven't got around to stopping him yet.

Seems to be more of a problem in the US and Australia. 

[Flying Snail]

Personally, I'm more inclined to focus on model railways (and the real world railways they are based on) when I'm on this forum. It's not too much of a stretch to include modelling in general or wider transport topics ... but beyond that, I don't know. Seems to me there's other places one can go to like Boards.ie for conspiracies, politics and what not.

When I'm here, I just want to play trains 

Edited August 22 by Flying Snail
woefully bad grammar

[Der Rechtsanwalt]

This man claims to have proved that the alternative legal system exists. Needless to say, this only applies to the UK and has not been tested in Spain or Ireland. 

 

 

[DJ Dangerous]

17 minutes ago, Flying Snail said:

Personally, I'm more inclined to focus on model railways (and the real world railways they are based on) when I'm on this forum. It's not too much of a stretch to include modelling in general or wider transport topics ... but beyond that, I don't know. Seems to me there's other places one can go to like Boards.ie for conspiracies, politics and what not.

When I'm here, I just want to play trains 

This is their sandbox, to protect the rest of the forum.

 

10 minutes ago, Der Rechtsanwalt said:

This man claims to have proved that the alternative legal system exists. Needless to say, this only applies to the UK and has not been tested in Spain or Ireland. 

 

 

Is that Bruce Willis?

He’s pretty good at the accent.

[Horsetan]

12 minutes ago, Der Rechtsanwalt said:

This man claims to have proved that the alternative legal system exists. Needless to say, this only applies to the UK and has not been tested in Spain or Ireland. 

Another entrant for Charlatan of the Year?

[gibbo675]

On 21/8/2024 at 9:15 AM, gibbo675 said:

Hi DJ,

This post is neither religious nor political it is to outline how law functions despite reference to the Bible.

All law has its foundations upon trust relationship, breach any trust you care to mention and the law is broken.

Speaking in terms of law and not religion the Bible is a book of law, the very reason it is used in courts of law.

The Old Testament is about the law of creation [God] and that creators must not be harmed. We as men and women have thoughts and as such are all creators and therefore must not be harmed. We are all present in this realm we call life and we must account for our actions according to the ten commandments.

The New Testament is about the law of incorporation that is where contracts between bodies, that is any corporation that is represented by a man or woman be that Exxon Mobil or yourself as Mr whoever you are.

The videos you note are instances where living souls, those "acting" as police included, don't understand how to administer the law for they are not claiming their status in law correctly or they are ignorant of claims made. The word act is most important for the police may not harm living souls however, should those living should claim to be corporate entities they immediately become property of the government through contract.

In the UK all contracts made through incorporation are regulated by, The Bills of Exchange Act 1882, there will be similar in Ireland, and living souls are protected from false arrest by corrupt police constables under section 26 of the Criminal Courts and Justice Act 2015, again there will be similar in Ireland.

In short your mind is your property until you make a contract which is seen in law as a meeting of the minds, at the moment of making contract you are then bound to the conditions of the contract in the case of contracting with a government those conditions are statutes, all of which must be followed by all parties concerned including the police and the courts. Obviously those are the details they don't tell you in school.

As I said I'm writing a book about all this and my research mainly focus' upon reading books such as Schopenhauer's, The World as Will and Representation, Adam Smith's, The wealth of Nations, along with, HM Government Statutes, High Court Judgements and researching the precise meanings of words in as many dictionaries as I can find.

Its all done by consent, I'm on this forum [society] by both the consent of IRM and myself, I can't force IRM to have me and they can't force me to join. Terms and conditions apply.

Gibbo.

 

On 22/8/2024 at 3:33 PM, Der Rechtsanwalt said:

This man claims to have proved that the alternative legal system exists. Needless to say, this only applies to the UK and has not been tested in Spain or Ireland. 

 

 

Hi Folks,

There is a serious misunderstanding upon this thread as to the purpose of the Bills of Exchange Act 1882. I would suggest that before commenting you actually read said act and then find out what all the terms mean before commenting for otherwise you will prove yourself somewhat wrong.

The bearer of a bill is responsible for the debt, therefore when a utility company sends you a postal order (bank giro credit) as the bearer of that bill they are responsible for that debt, then, should you endorse the postal order correctly as the "Title holder Benficial" then the bearer settles the account with the bill that now has your seigniorage by way of your autograph and not your signature.

Further the utility company has a contract with your title and not you, if they had a contract with you they would send an invoice but that can't because that would be in breach of the Bills of Exchange Act. As the contract is with your title then it ought to billed from you prepaid public account and not your private account.

Should you look at a postal order (bank giro credit) it has written upon it, an account number, a sort code, and reference number for the amount due, it also has written on it "paid in by". As it is a credit then ask yourself what has been credited, the answer is your title's public account and they require your endorsement to access the account or else they have breached your trust which as administrators of your public account they may not do without your consent. You are not your title and your title is not you, your title is only you when you claim it as beneficial however should you think that you are your title then you lose your private wealth instead of accepting the credit due to you that is held in trust by the Crown.

By all means look up Lord Denning's ruling upon endorsed bills and how they may be used as cash.

For example, when you write a personal cheque then you become the bearer of that particular bill and it is not valid without your autograph which signs it into a live instrument the debt of which you are required to pay.

To understand all this you have to look past the subtlety of it, and also it is the precise reason that all bank notes (signed bills of exchange) have the chief cashiers autograph on them of the bank that bears them, or if you like issues them, which is the same meaning.

The Pound, the Dollar and the Euro are called debt based fiat currencies for good reason and that is because the bank owes you and not the other way around. Your credit the bank they owe you the debt, you cannot deny that.

 

Professor Werner will explain banking to you, he's quite interesting:

It is sublimely subtle, I'll grant them that !

Gibbo.

[DJ Dangerous]

Simplest way of explaining the core principles of trade, without the need to obfuscate reality behind linguistic spaghetti (mmmmmh, spaghetti) :

 

 

[Mayner]

Back in the day when I worked as a health and safety inspector one of our clients was a business owner did not appear to recognise the authority of the New Zealand Government. The business that hired out bouncy castles and inflatable slides had been a constant source of complaints and serious accidents to members of the public for approx. 11 years before the Justice sysem caught up with them with a fine of $450k + victim reparations.

The company had been interesting to deal with: On one occasion the owner ran from the police to escape arrest during an interview with an inspector, the businesses vehicles were licensed (tax disc) with a Maaori tribal group that did not recognise the government, ride operators politely refused to comply with instructions/notces from H&S inspectors. 

During the final Hamilton V8 Supercar event I literally was the 'fun police" and instructed the Event Organiser to deflate a 10m high inflatable slide (in operation without a 1st being certified by an engineer) after the operator refused to shut down the slide. The operator had a large box of cash in a country where the majority of transactions are done electronically.

The owner seemes to have been involved in New Zealands anti-Covid Lockdown and Vaccination protests. Whatever about their free-citizen beliefs the one thing that was clear was the fact that they weren't prepared to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions leaving a trail of badly injured adults and children behind them.

Edited August 25 by Mayner

[DJ Dangerous]

On the bus home tonight (yes, IRM have made me so poor that I have to bus everywhere) I saw a sign which reminded me of @skinner75's post here:

 

On 16/8/2024 at 3:08 PM, skinner75 said:

Ah, the 'living man' bit - sounds to me like the 'sovereign citizen' schtick... 

The videos of these eejits driving, sorry 'travelling', without a driving license thinking they have the system played are hilarious when reality bites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChwBYT4Dw_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3SNsTZ2YVk

 

 

It says that taking photos or videos of public employees is prohibited under the data protection law.

Surely, Ireland has similar data protection laws, to protect public employees such as Gardaí?

If so, how come these sovereign-citizen and anti-mask clowns are above the law?

 

 

[jhb171achill]

On 21/8/2024 at 11:23 AM, minister_for_hardship said:

It would be interesting to know how many court cases are won with freeman pseudo legal arguments. I'm guessing zero.

And rightly so.

[LNERW1]

Re conspiracies- anyone have any advice on how to get my friend to shut up about P Diddy and all the famous people who went to his parties etc? It is getting a bit annoying..

[DJ Dangerous]

1 minute ago, LNERW1 said:

Re conspiracies- anyone have any advice on how to get my friend to shut up about P Diddy and all the famous people who went to his parties etc? It is getting a bit annoying..

Frikkin' Puff Daddy.

Nobody be missing you, Puffy!

Just tell your friend that you don't give a damn about Puffy nor his party guests and move on.

[jhb171achill]

25 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

On the bus home tonight (yes, IRM have made me so poor that I have to bus everywhere) I saw a sign which reminded me of @skinner75's post here:

 

 

It says that taking photos or videos of public employees is prohibited under the data protection law.

Surely, Ireland has similar data protection laws, to protect public employees such as Gardaí?

If so, how come these sovereign-citizen and anti-mask clowns are above the law?

 

They aren't, as numerous youtube videos show, when these utterly contemptible, arrogant, "bar-room-intellectual" idiots are stopped by police in America. I have yet to hear of anyone in Ireland claiming to be a "sovereign citizen", or dreaming up childish reasons why they think they are above the law, but given the growth in some people here believing online anti-democratic propaganda, it wouldn't suprise me one bit.

And yes, I would empower gardaí to snatch their phones and fling them in the Liffey.

[Broithe]

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

I have yet to hear of anyone in Ireland claiming to be a "sovereign citizen", or dreaming up childish reasons why they think they are above the law, but given the growth in some people here believing online anti-democratic propaganda, it wouldn't suprise me one bit.

I'll get them to send you an application form..?

https://www.sovereignpeople.ie/

 

There was a case a while back of a bloke in court in that sort of defence - it wasn't a successful action for him. I can't find it yet, but I'll have a better(?) look later.

 

OK, this is what I had in mind. Not quite the same thing, but this bloke thinks he's even more sovereign than the individual types.

https://www.offalyexpress.ie/news/home/1407245/king-of-ireland-appears-before-district-court-laying-claim-to-local-roads.html

Edited October 6 by Broithe

[minister_for_hardship]

8 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

They aren't, as numerous youtube videos show, when these utterly contemptible, arrogant, "bar-room-intellectual" idiots are stopped by police in America. I have yet to hear of anyone in Ireland claiming to be a "sovereign citizen", or dreaming up childish reasons why they think they are above the law, but given the growth in some people here believing online anti-democratic propaganda, it wouldn't suprise me one bit.

And yes, I would empower gardaí to snatch their phones and fling them in the Liffey.

They live amongst us..

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/king-of-ireland-seeks-court-orders-and-tells-judge-i-am-your-legal-employer-1507905.html

[Broithe]

Brace yourselves...

https://www.facebook.com/BrehonKingOfTheWorldJames

[DJ Dangerous]

[Galteemore]

Always worth a punt to see if he can use his authority to speed up delivery of those Rails 6w coaches…

Edited October 6 by Galteemore

[irishthump]

11 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

They aren't, as numerous youtube videos show, when these utterly contemptible, arrogant, "bar-room-intellectual" idiots are stopped by police in America. I have yet to hear of anyone in Ireland claiming to be a "sovereign citizen", or dreaming up childish reasons why they think they are above the law, but given the growth in some people here believing online anti-democratic propaganda, it wouldn't suprise me one bit.

And yes, I would empower gardaí to snatch their phones and fling them in the Liffey.

They've been around for a while...

 

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wexford/enniscorthy-news/bobby-of-the-family-sludds-may-be-jailed/27250040.html

[minister_for_hardship]

Garda traffic corps magnet.

Edited October 6 by minister_for_hardship

[DJ Dangerous]

it's amazing how frequently the appropriate response to a post is the one second of this video at 06:08:

 

 

[Broithe]

For those who believe that 'the state' is a legal fiction, there is always a large area* of reasonably habitable land between Sudan and Egypt, which is not claimed by either of them, or any other state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

 

*About the size of Co Kilkenny.

[DJ Dangerous]

43 minutes ago, Broithe said:

For those who believe that 'the state' is a legal fiction, there is always a large area* of reasonably habitable land between Sudan and Egypt, which is not claimed by either of them, or any other state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bir_Tawil

 

*About the size of Co Kilkenny.

 

There'll probably be a "free state" up for grabs between Israel and Lebanon at some stage, too.

[LNERW1]

Transnistria, a gap between the current and original course of the Dniester river, claimed by neither of its neighbours (Moldova, to the west, claims the original, western course to be the true border, while Ukraine, to the east, cliams the eastern course to be so), has declared itself a state, undergoing a war of independence ending in a treaty to which Moldova, Ukraine and Russia were party, is a great example of people taking the chance to establish a country. Sealand is a much more harmless and playful example, a Maunsell Fort* claimed by the Bates family.

*A number of offshore platforms built off of Anglia and in the Thames and Mersey estuaries during WWII. The most well known are probably Sealand (HM Fort Roughs) and Redsands (U6), which has been used for filming Dr Who and Danger Man, IIRC, and was home to Radio 390, one of several pirate stations located on the forts.

[Branchline121]

Croatia and Serbia have a similar problem. The border between them was drawn up during the federalisation of Yugoslavia, but the problem lies in that Serbia claims the border follows the modern course of the Danube (thereby giving them more land), whereas Croatia asserts it should follow the original course drawn before the Danube was straightened for ease of navigation.

This leads to one piece of land being claimed by neither. Naturally, this has lead to some chancers to travel to the land and claim it as their own ‘micronation’, such as a Czech man who proclaimed “Liberland” on the territory, although neither Serbia nor Croatia take him seriously.

While not on the topic of unclaimed land, I feel, seen as this is a railway forum, I should mention the peculiar Belgian-German border. After the Great War, the Treaty of Versailles granted some land to Belgium as reparations — one of these is the Vennbahn, a strategic railway line that crossed the border. The Vennbahn’s path would be granted to Belgium, in the process separating land west of the line from the rest of Germany. Although the line is closed now, the irregular border remains.

[Mayner]

Probaby a hang over from the old clann system more than a few places in Ireland where the locals consider it no business of Merrion St or Westminister what goes on in the area controlled by their 'people". 

I ran into that culture when I visited Kenmare 'on Official Business" while working for an Inspector with the Health and Safety Authority investigating a complaint about safety on a construction site. Asking at the Post Office for directions to a townland the postmaster asked "Ar-u-from Tralee?" he looked positively shocked when I told him I had been sent from Dublin "it must be something very serious". I hadn't the heart to tell him I was just 'flying the colours" investigating construction complaints in the Kingdom and hadn't been sent specially to his Town.

Donal Foley in his Irish Times 'Man bites Dog' column of the 1970s described Crossmaglen as a self governing Canton, I worked in Dublin in the early 2000s for as a Site Foreman for a construction company from the Cross the workers from South Armagh only showed respect for one man (ignoring all the layers of management) the company founder and managing director whom they basically considered the chief. 

Interestingly I had a similar experience in a similar role after I moved to New Zealand in 2004 in this case  some long serving  Maaori line managers only who showed respect for the Pakeha (European) company founder and director.

 

[minister_for_hardship]

8 hours ago, Mayner said:

Probaby a hang over from the old clann system more than a few places in Ireland where the locals consider it no business of Merrion St or Westminister what goes on in the area controlled by their 'people". 

 

The successful rural independents set themselves up as "fixers", "fixshing de roads", etc doing the things a properly functional system should be taking care of, inspiring clan chieftain levels of fandom from voters. 

[skinner75]

20 hours ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Garda traffic corps magnet.

 

Ah yes, the 'sovcit'. I am not driving, I am 'travelling' 

 

6 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

The successful rural independents set themselves up as "fixers", "fixshing de roads", etc doing the things a properly functional system should be taking care of, inspiring clan chieftain levels of fandom from voters. 

Sounds like Cappy Healy-Rae & Beardy Healy-Rae  to me

Edited October 7 by skinner75

[Broithe]

If we're talking about weird borders, we have that large area of Monaghan that you can't leave without going through the North, unless you walk across the fields and wade through a river.

And the Dutch/Belgian border is quite intricate in places.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgium/@51.4413281,4.9244925,2748m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[skinner75]

22 minutes ago, Broithe said:

If we're talking about weird borders, we have that large area of Monaghan that you can't leave without going through the North, unless you walk across the fields and wade through a river.

And the Dutch/Belgian border is quite intricate in places.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Baarle-Hertog,+Belgium/@51.4413281,4.9244925,2748m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x47c6a54331164f29:0x40099ab2f4d4d20!8m2!3d51.4415736!4d4.9318189!16zL20vMDE0bGt6?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Tim has some great videos on weird EU borders:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tim+traveller+borders