B101

[jhb171achill]

Just came across this, thought I’d share it out of interest.

Don’t take the shade of green seriously - the original colour slide is in awful condition!

At Waterford obviously, about 1962.

Like the A & C classes, some had a pale green “waistline”; some didn’t. None had “flying snails”.

Black on top of roof.

Edited Monday at 09:57 by jhb171achill

[Mike 84C]

I thought for a moment it was a model!  

[David Holman]

Can see what you mean, Mick. Those front windows are deeply inset and the glazing isn't exactly flush. No tension lock or Kadee though, even if the track looks decidedly Peck Code 75.

[Mol_PMB]

In the green livery, only some of the B101's had the cowling in the bufferbeam area painted red, with the ends apparently outlined in black. Here's a view of B107 from Ernie:

Others had the front cowling painted the same colour as the body, like B102 here:

The 'bufferbeam' colour doesn't correlate with the presence or absence of a waist line. Again from Ernie, here's B104 with red cowling outlined in black, but with the waist line:

For the initial livery, the whole front was silver. This slide sold on ebay recently, for rather more than I was willing to pay!

 

[jhb171achill]

The waistline, both on these and the A / C classes, appears to have been completely arbitrary (like the dayglo orange-red on locos in the 1990s) with no relation to any other livery details.

I have seen pics of silver locos with red buffer beams too, but never a green one without at least some red on the buffer beam area.

The one thing I have never seen is a B101 model with numerals of exactly the right style and size…. especially on a loco that is otherwise plain silver, plain green or (mostly) plain black, inaccuracy in numerals or lettering sticks out like a sore thumb, unfortunately.

The initial pic, I should add, is possibly one of Cyril Fry’s. If not, it’s one of my dad’s.

[leslie10646]

36 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

The waistline, both on these and the A / C classes, appears to have been completely arbitrary (like the dayglo orange-red on locos in the 1990s) with no relation to any other livery details.

I have seen pics of silver locos with red buffer beams too, but never a green one without at least some red on the buffer beam area.

The one thing I have never seen is a B101 model with numerals of exactly the right style and size…. especially on a loco that is otherwise plain silver, plain green or (mostly) plain black, inaccuracy in numerals or lettering sticks out like a sore thumb, unfortunately.

The initial pic, I should add, is possibly one of Cyril Fry’s. If not, it’s one of my dad’s.

Ah, @jhb171achill - I have - see below! Lance King's photo at Portarlington in 1958. Copyright IRRS

[Mol_PMB]

15 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

I have seen pics of silver locos with red buffer beams too, but never a green one without at least some red on the buffer beam area.

Here's a first for you then, at Portarlington in July 1958 according to the slide mount. This is a slide I bought secondhand on ebay, but I'm not sure of the copyright position. I apologise if I have transgressed, please let me know and I will remove it.

Colour-Rail image FIE02922 also shows B112 in this livery without any red on the front, but at a later date as it's more grubby. I did look on the Colour-Rail website for the image above but it doesn't appear to be listed, so I assume it's from another source.

I think B112 was one of the locos displayed at the Inchicore open day in 1958, and was parked next to A46. 

If so, you can just see it behind A46 here, along with some kettles, all in colour:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53449604144/

And in this video in monochrome:

Taken together, these photos should fuel the 'shades of green' debate... The Inchicore photo appears to show both A46 and B112 in light green, and they are considerably lighter than the adjacent 800. But the established wisdom is that these first repaints of diesels in green were in dark green, and B112 in the pic I've posted above looks pretty dark. 

Aha, @leslie10646, looks like you beat me to it with posting a near-identical image.

[leslie10646]

The slide which you bought was probably taken by another of the group with Lance, hence the near identical photo - your "man" took his shot a few hundredths of a second after lance! Not eat position of the loc vis a vis the ground signal.

They went on to the Cavan and Leitrim next day.

By the way @Mol_PMB, thanks for the link to the Inchicore film. I'm recovering from the shock of seeing a well-known IRRS member when but a boy .......

But better still, when the film ended YouTube gave me a link to a super film about "The Elizabethan" - no interest to you, of course, seeing streamlines "kettles".

By the way, can we have less offensive references made to the next most important invention after the wheel, please?

Edited 19 hours ago by leslie10646

[airfixfan]

Colour CIE photos from 1957 in current Backtrack show A and C in silver with red buffer beams.  Rare colour photo of G603 in green

[airfixfan]

Just noticed 603 is at Inchicore minus its engine!

Edited 1 hour ago by airfixfan

[jhb171achill]

Most interesting, yes, that was a new one to me. And yes, B112 IS in the darker green, not to be seen on many diesels at all. A46 had it, and so did Downpatrick's C231 at one stage anyway. Of the extrremely few A, B101 & C's with dark green, all images I've ever seen of them have a waistline.

[David Holman]

Still think that first picture might be a model - all the other photos show flush glazing on the cab front....

[Galteemore]

46 minutes ago, David Holman said:

Still think that first picture might be a model - all the other photos show flush glazing on the cab front....

Darius has found a 1:1 MTK kit by looks of it….

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, David Holman said:

Still think that first picture might be a model - all the other photos show flush glazing on the cab front....

It’s an old kit I found, but it’s 12 inches to the foot scale. No DCC, though, and the couplings are completely incompatible with both standard Hornby ones and Kadees. It won’t run on code 70 OR 100 track, nor HO scale anything. It won’t go round curves, even a 2.4 metre radius one. So I’m not sure what I’ll do with it…. if someone will give me a tenner for it, it’s yours, but I’m told the postage could be high enough….

[Mol_PMB]

27 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

It’s an old kit I found, but it’s 12 inches to the foot scale. No DCC, though, and the couplings are completely incompatible with both standard Hornby ones and Kadees. It won’t run on code 70 OR 100 track, nor HO scale anything. It won’t go round curves, even a 2.4 metre radius one. So I’m not sure what I’ll do with it…. if someone will give me a tenner for it, it’s yours, but I’m told the postage could be high enough….

Oh, and just as a health warning, it's full of asbestos!