JM Design CIE Coach Side Overlays

[Mayner]

A small number of coach side overlays to fit the Dapol 60' Stanier Coach are now available from stock:

CIE 1339-55 Side Corridor 3rd/Second/Standard overlays $32.00 NZ Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders

JMD Corridor 2nd fitted to Dapol 60' Stanier 3rd with with MJT roof vents,  0.45mm AGW straight brass wire plumbing, Hornby coach wheels, modified Dapol interior.

1904-1908 Brake 3rd/Second/Standard Open overlays $32.00 NZ Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders

1904-1908 Bk2nd fitted to Dapol Coach, MJT roof vents,  0.45mm AGW straight brass wire plumbing, Hornby coach wheels, Comet interior kit.

Weights fitted under floor.

3201-3212 BSSGV overlay kit $53.00 NZ. Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders.

BSSGV spec as per Corridor Standard. Combination of Dapol interior to passenger & lavatory compartments and plasticard floor and partitions in van portion. 

Buffet and Standard Open overlays are available to order 6-8 weeks lead time.

Please P.M or contact JM Design at majral@xtra.co.nz if you are interested.

[Noel]

eMail sent  

[Noel]

I bought a set of JM's excellent brass coach side overlays a few years ago, but hadn't any Dapol 60ft Stonier Donor coaches to hand to start fitting them. Recently I decided to have a go with one of these which use Dapol 60ft Stonier donors, but Dapol have ceased production and I could not source any stock in UK online model retailers, one took an order for a pair but then emailed back apologising that they were out of stock and not expected back again. Fortunately I managed to buy an old Airfix 60ft composite which are now a Dapol product. The recommended Donors are C101A-C, C103A-C, C105A-B. Anyway once Gort is wired up I plan to give this one a try, and if I don't make a complete mess of it I'll try and source more donors and complete the tree coaches using GMs brass overlays. The Airfix coach has plastic wheels so they will have to go.

Seems a nice fit. Let the cutting, sawing, filing and sanding begin once Gort has progressed.  

PS: I will need to make up a jig of some kind to use a rolling pin to help form the distinctive tumblehomes on the brass sides.

[DiveController]

I have the same problem with forming the tumblehome so if you find any easy method feel free to post

[Mayner]

Noel

Nice to see you making a start on the overlays, I had almost forgotten my coach building episode.

I use a piece of skirting board clamped in a vice for forming tumblehomes as detailed in the instructions.

Pieces of skirting & stripwood 3-400mm long .

Strip of brass or plasticard same thickness as coach side acts as a stop.

 

 

Jig and coach side clamped in vice

 

I find it easiest to glue the roof to the body of the Airfix/GMR/Dapol bodyshell before cutting slots in the sides.

Tumblehome formed by pressing unsupported section of side against skirting board with the piece of aluminium angle in background  a piece of stripwood or metal rod would also be suitable.

Tumblehome formed without deformation.

I found it easier to build the coach with a removable body shell as opposed to a removable roof as its very difficult to form a decent joint between the roof and body shell if they are separate sub assemblies. I first glued the roof to the sides and allowed the joint to harden for a couple of days before cutting out the slots in the body shell with an Olfa cutter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is quite a bit on finishing these coaches on Page 3 of my Tales from the Carriage Shops workshop thread 

 

[Noel]

Thanks John @Mayner. That’s really helpful.

[NIR]

If no Dapol then some Bachmann LMS porthole coaches are 60 feet

Edited March 25, 2021 by NIR

[flange lubricator]

Here at the slow coach wagon and carriage works I have finally finished my 3201 BSGV coach using JM Designs brass overlays this is possibly the most difficult one to do but was great fun and a great one to learn on prior to tackling the rest . Just a few touch ups and add the glazing , I added the container door locking bars which were a very distinctive detail on the 3200’s . 

Edited August 14, 2022 by flange lubricator

[Mike 84C]

That looks rather good and reminds me I have one to finish, best leave myself a note!  

[flange lubricator]

52 minutes ago, Mike 84C said:

That looks rather good and reminds me I have one to finish, best leave myself a note!  

Thanks Mike still a bit to too but its certainly given me the impetus to do the rest 2 x1356 opens , 1x1339 side corridor, 1x2402 buffet and 1 x 1903 brake

[Galteemore]

Very nice work indeed ! 

[jhb171achill]

Any of these overlays left, I wonder?

[Mayner]

5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Any of these overlays left, I wonder?

Two sets of Second/Standard Open sides in stock @ $32.00 each plus shipping

 

 

 

Coach side frets are available to order 6-8 week lead time direct from our supplier in the UK

Buffet Car---------------1 set coach sides

Side Corridor------------2 Sets coach sides

BSGV--------------------3 Sets coach sides

Brake Second/Standard--3 sets

Standard Open-----------3 Sets

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mike 84C]

Flash the cash JHB   You will not be disappointed ,just take your time, I have taken years to finish all three!!  

[DJ Dangerous]

On 15/8/2022 at 6:53 AM, Mayner said:

Two sets of Second/Standard Open sides in stock @ $32.00 each plus shipping

 

 

 

Coach side frets are available to order 6-8 week lead time direct from our supplier in the UK

Buffet Car---------------1 set coach sides

Side Corridor------------2 Sets coach sides

BSGV--------------------3 Sets coach sides

Brake Second/Standard--3 sets

Standard Open-----------3 Sets

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Would these BSGV's be apt for running with IRM's Park Royals?

I assume that a Park Royal rake will require some sort of heating van!

[flange lubricator]

3 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Would these BSGV's be apt for running with IRM's Park Royals?

I assume that a Park Royal rake will require some sort of heating van!

More than suitable to run with the forthcoming IRM Park Royals. Very well illustrated in this picture on Colm O'Callaghan's flickr page 32xx BGSV with Park Royals .

And another one by Neil Smith 

 

Edited July 23, 2023 by flange lubricator

[Mike 84C]

All I will say in response to this thread is when you buy your donor coaches make very sure you get ones of the right length. Two of mine were fine so finished eaons ago. One was a couple of mm shorter which I only discovered after I had done all the prep work and put the adhesive on the sides with all the little clamps to hold stuff in place. AND, and and its a wonder my swearing was not heard across the Irish sea. So beware !! 

[jhb171achill]

15 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Would these BSGV's be apt for running with IRM's Park Royals?

I assume that a Park Royal rake will require some sort of heating van!

Yes, to both questions.

Park Royals would have run with the FULL range of gennies - original 4-wheel tin vans, then the (few) 6-wheel ones, then the above 32XX series, BR vans & Dutch vans.

[Mayner]

3 hours ago, Mike 84C said:

All I will say in response to this thread is when you buy your donor coaches make very sure you get ones of the right length. Two of mine were fine so finished eaons ago. One was a couple of mm shorter which I only discovered after I had done all the prep work and put the adhesive on the sides with all the little clamps to hold stuff in place. AND, and and its a wonder my swearing was not heard across the Irish sea. So beware !! 

The coach sides were designed to fit the Dapol Stanier 60' Side Corridor coach. Dapol no longer appear to produce these coaches, though they may appear on the second hand market under Dapol, GMR or Airfix branding.

A BR Van is probably the best option for use with Park Royal during the IE era, when the majority of the older vans including the 32XX had been withdrawn from service.

[DJ Dangerous]

I'll take one of those three sets of BSGV sides either way!