Robert Shrives Posted October 12, 2020 Posted October 12, 2020 Hi I bought 4 unpainted 40 foot boxes from Arran at C rail the other week and Bell transfers from SSM For painting I have found that the Bell magenta is a good match to P297 Precision paints First group Magenta (dull) The blue I used P140 BR electric blue and this matches very well to the 20 foot container to my eye The roof is P151 BR rail grey. Pictures to follow when all dry and masking removed. The door gear seems to have started magneta as well but also just plain galvansied grey/silver so will do two in each . The blind end and door end and sides to 10 ribs in Magenta, checking several on line phots. When transfers land I will do a final pic. Hope this helps somebody else in time Robert 2 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 12, 2020 Author Posted October 12, 2020 Having got masking off they might be a shade light compared to the 20 foot I have but look ok all the same and I blame some time in a sunny climate has faded them ! 1 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 A couple of views: side view ,then top down of one and a comparison . I have added 20grammes of sticky wheel weights to the floors ready to refit once transfers are applied. 3 Quote
Arran Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 HI All The colours i use for BELL are all pantone for bells , something that i scraped and cleaned bits on a 20ft at Leith docks. Although faded the true colours are underneath Regards Arran 5 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 Hi, I am certain Arran you got the right colours but I was trying from my large stash of tinlets to get close, perhaps not close enough on the blue but masking was such a faff I think they will stay. I look forward to more 40 fts from C Rail stable in time - meanwhile this does for me and can always get used as scenic land fillers. Thanks for great pic - weathering really useful and a good find of the box. happy modelling Robert 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted October 13, 2020 Posted October 13, 2020 The roofs..... originally all the same dark blue as on sides, but gradually they became white. When grubby, obviously it would not be pristine white. If you’re modelling 1970s, dark blue. While I’m no expert on containers, I’m unaware of them ever being grey-topped; perhaps someone else might know? 1 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 13, 2020 Author Posted October 13, 2020 JHB, If I may thread from BC shows Bell in White/ light grey but also a one in blue on the same wagon so anything goes ! Have to say not so sure about the quality of the walkway on the Tanktainer - I suspect I can model that very easily ! Robert 2 2 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 14, 2020 Author Posted October 14, 2020 A very shiny ex-works one as well, the ones behind await the spray booth. What date Arran? Robert 1 Quote
Irishswissernie Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) I came across this one today whilst sorting out some Swiss negatives. Rather faded or possibly lighter paint on the Container end. Some 6 years after Bell Lines folded. EDIT Another one at Goschenen 26 May 1988 20 foot containers , white roofs but possibly one grey or just dirty. Edited October 14, 2020 by Irishswissernie 4 Quote
DJ Dangerous Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 To be honest, the rooves in Arran and Ernie's photos look more like a faded Bell blue to me, than an actual grey. Quote
jhb171achill Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: To be honest, the rooves in Arran and Ernie's photos look more like a faded Bell blue to me, than an actual grey. Correct, that’s what it would be. When at sea, salt spray would wear away at it. Or - grubbied white. Edited October 14, 2020 by jhb171achill 1 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted October 14, 2020 Author Posted October 14, 2020 Interesting input by all, thanks . I will be adding transfers and then some rust colour so the rail grey will be grubby, but not for a few weeks anyway as off air for a while. I look forward to "tuning in" in a couple of weeks . Robert Quote
jhb171achill Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 20 hours ago, Robert Shrives said: JHB, If I may thread from BC shows Bell in White/ light grey but also a one in blue on the same wagon so anything goes ! Have to say not so sure about the quality of the walkway on the Tanktainer - I suspect I can model that very easily ! Robert I’ve no idea about the “tank-tainers”, Robert.....just the ordinary ones. Yes, you’d get white and dark blue at one stage on roofs, both weathered of course, but not grey painted. Originally all blue, then white gradually replacing them, thus a mixture of the two as you suggest. 1 Quote
DJ Dangerous Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 I think that the most important question is: "Rooves" or "roofs"? 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted October 14, 2020 Posted October 14, 2020 1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said: I think that the most important question is: "Rooves" or "roofs"? “Horizontal sides”? 1 2 Quote
burnthebox Posted October 15, 2020 Posted October 15, 2020 Hi guys, here’s something that might help display colours or not, BTB PS Take note of the container on the back roofs colour 2 1 Quote
murphaph Posted October 15, 2020 Posted October 15, 2020 @Arran do you have any plans to produce the 40' Bells again any time soon? 1 Quote
dave182 Posted June 5 Posted June 5 Hey All. I spotted this variation of a BELL container as part of a bigger poster here at a trade fair today, so obviously the image isn't the best. But it is 'BELL EXPRESS', a varient I have never seen before. I believe the location is Rotterdam. 2 Quote
popeye Posted June 5 Posted June 5 On 15/10/2020 at 1:49 PM, burnthebox said: Hi guys, here’s something that might help display colours or not, BTB PS Take note of the container on the back roofs colour I see 40ft Bell Refer on this ship. Quote
Arran Posted Tuesday at 21:31 Posted Tuesday at 21:31 HI All Well some food for thought in this little lot. Is the the Netherlands ? Regards Arran Quote
popeye Posted Tuesday at 22:11 Posted Tuesday at 22:11 Somebody liked BELL containers. I think that covers everything. 1 Quote
Mol_PMB Posted Wednesday at 06:18 Posted Wednesday at 06:18 8 hours ago, Arran said: HI All Well some food for thought in this little lot. Is the the Netherlands ? Regards Arran I've only watched the first few minutes and already seen some excellent container photos, particularly the early 'silver' (unpainted alloy) Bells. For example, from around 4:55 there are some good shots of the flush-sided type which I represented with a simple repaint of one of your boxes, top left here: In the early days of Bell, there were several subsidiaries including Bell Ferry and Bell Lines, and some of the early containers were lettered as such. I chose a Bell Ferry example that I found a photo of in Ireland; some of the photos in that youtube link show the Bell Lines equivalent. Nice to see some good photos of some of the sheet and post alloy types used by Bell in the early days too. Most of the images do seem to be in the Netherlands. 1 1 Quote
Mol_PMB Posted Wednesday at 11:59 Posted Wednesday at 11:59 Watching this over lunch, a few more observations: 9:57: one of the early flush-sided boxes painted in the later blue and petunia livery (that's tempting to model!) 12:13: nice view of two different types of early alloy container, followed by a few more views of the sheet and post type. Note that initially they had non-ISO-compliant numbering. 13:33: a nice clean view of alloy containers with later ISO numbering. These are leased containers in BELL livery - note the ICS logo top right. 13:54: one of the ribbed boxes in simplified all-over-petunia livery. 15:08: the second container has a flush end but sheet-and-post sides. The lettering is on a separate panel fixed over the posts. 15:27: Bell Bulk 30' boxes, showing both ends. 19:27: the interior of the doors is painted petunia. Maybe on some containers the whole interior was? 20:37: very widely spaced ribs on the side of this 40-footer. (another at 22:40) 22:00: crane driver seems to have dropped the container on the cab of his own crane. Ouch! 24:30: a long series of photos of normal Bell containers being used for bulk traffic, being emptied by tipping. Includes some proper Bell Bulk containers too. Some of these images show good roof views. 26:40: sequence of insulated / refrigerated 40-footers of various types. Many of these are extra-wide. 27:29: combined Bell and Kerrygold branding 28:50: Bell tanktainers - a variety of BELU-registered examples. I'll look through the second half later - I'd better get back to work now! Quote
Mol_PMB Posted Wednesday at 14:44 Posted Wednesday at 14:44 Second half perhaps not as interesting as the first, lots of fairly standard 40' boxes interspersed with some others that I think appeared earlier in the slideshow! Here are a few of the more notable examples: 36:04 and 41:09 to 41:24, 42:45, 51:15: Bell Express branding on over-length boxes (45'? 48'?) 36:45 and 39:06: 40' boxes with a blue roof 40:18: nice view of a pair of 20' boxes showing the door end lettering. Not the same on the two shown. 40:29: another layout of door end lettering on a 20' box 41:24 and 41:51, 42:05: over-length boxes without 'Express' branding 41:32: plain petunia 20' box, INTU coded. I did note that some boxes in full Bell livery also have INTU codes rather then BELU e.g. at 49:05. Leased? or did Bell have multiple codes? 44:32: a BELU coded container that appears to be blue all over - it certainly has a blue end. 46:37 and 51:10: unusual type of door on a 40' box, with most of the locking bar arrangement boxed in. 48:55 leased tank with Bell branding 49:51: 40' box with unequally spaced ribs on the sides - looks very odd! 52:25: over-length box with Bell Express branding, door end shown but it has an odd replacement door. 54:54: Bell Bulk 30' being tipped I'm all belled out now. I do have a couple of ideas for more models though. Hopefully Arran does too! Quote
commerlad Posted 21 hours ago Posted 21 hours ago 19 hours ago, Mol_PMB said: 22:00: crane driver seems to have dropped the container on the cab of his own crane. Ouch! One hopes he was in the Operators seat and not the Drivers seat at the time. 1 Quote
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