What years are these trucks from?

[murphaph]

Can any truck experts say what year these models vehicles could plausibly have appeared?

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/volvo-fh-box-trailer-lucey-transport-vol01bx

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/scania-r420-curtainside-scania-tinnelly-transport-sca03cs

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/volvo-fh-curtainside-barline-vol01cs

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/scania-t-cab-curtainside-ian-hayes-76tcab009

https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/volvo-fh-recovery-truck-a1-marsdenvol03rec

I suspect most if not all of them are too late for my planned 90s layout but no harm in asking.

[Warbonnet]

Hi Murphaph,

The Volvo and cab over Scania are from the mid early-2000s (mid life updated models of trucks first introduced in the mid 90s. The bonneted Scania would be late 90s.

HTH! 

[murphaph]

Much appreciated

[mmie353]

Is there anyone doing a model of a Volvo F12? I remember the Shannon Transport F12 and I thought it was a nice color scheme. 

[Moxy]

1 hour ago, mmie353 said:

Is there anyone doing a model of a Volvo F12? I remember the Shannon Transport F12 and I thought it was a nice color scheme. 

Knightwing do a kit of a Volvo F12 tractor, although that might be 1/72 scale, rather than 1/76.

Hope this helps

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, Moxy said:

Knightwing do a kit of a Volvo F12 tractor, although that might be 1/72 scale, rather than 1/76.

Hope this helps

I think that kit might be 1:87.

[Warbonnet]

If you want trucks for your 90s period from the Oxford range there's the DAF 2800 and 85, the Ford Cargo and The Scania 143. All were popular enough here.

[Blaine]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

I think that kit might be 1:87.

Its 1.72, they also do the Mercedes NG, Foden Haulmaster, DAF 2800 and Ford Transcontinental http://www.knightwing.co.uk/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?next=0&cart_id=1619513763.318&product=OO-HO_Road_Transport_Kits they are the ex KeilKraft range, dont put them near any 1/76.2 items and they are ok

Also the Road Transport Images range of resin/whitemetal OO scale kits, a very comprehensive range, but some of them could be better lookswise.

1 hour ago, Warbonnet said:

If you want trucks for your 90s period from the Oxford range there's the DAF 2800 and 85, the Ford Cargo and The Scania 143. All were popular enough here.

Also the ERF EC they do, rare but not impossible back then

[gm171 kk]

On 27/4/2021 at 10:26 AM, Blaine said:

Also the ERF EC they do, rare but not impossible back then

I've seen a lot of photos of ERF ECs in IÉ's Road liner colours. Although I don't think they had any with the Olympic cab.

[WRENNEIRE]

I reckon a few Hino's would go down well , in a little IRM green box?

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, WRENNEIRE said:

I reckon a few Hino's would go down well , in a little IRM green box?

Imagine that, a three pack of Hino's! Hino tractor cab definitely deserving of it's own release, and the Hino three pack would need to include a cement mixer.

[Blaine]

On 28/4/2021 at 1:16 PM, gm171 kk said:

I've seen a lot of photos of ERF ECs in IÉ's Road liner colours. Although I don't think they had any with the Olympic cab.

No, they were all about bare minimum spending initially. Then again there was never any overnight work so no need for the sleeper cabs

21 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 and the Hino three pack would need to include a cement mixer.

No Dump Truck??

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, Blaine said:

No Dump Truck??

Hell yes!!!

[WRENNEIRE]

?

[Warbonnet]

On 28/4/2021 at 5:39 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

Imagine that, a three pack of Hino's! Hino tractor cab definitely deserving of it's own release, and the Hino three pack would need to include a cement mixer.

It's an interesting one. Funnily enough after we did our Rail Link commission we were contacted by somebody who robustly communicated that we should not be doing die cast models at all, and to keep away from them. Took us by surprise we must admit but thankfully doesnt seem the consensus when we see how well our City Swift buses went and our foray into retailing vehicles from Oxford and Northcord as accessories for Irish modellers to beat the Brexit heartaches. 

Would you guys like to see us take the plunge into producing our own vehicle models from scratch? (in addition to, not to the detriment of the railway models of course!)

If so, what would you guys like to see? 

Cheers!

Fran

[DJ Dangerous]

Just now, Warbonnet said:

It's an interesting one. Funnily enough after we did our Rail Link commission we were contacted by somebody who robustly communicated that we should not be doing die cast models at all, and to keep away from them. Took us by surprise we must admit but thankfully doesnt seem the consensus when we see how well our City Swift buses went and our foray into retailing vehicles from Oxford and Northcord as accessories for Irish modellers to beat the Brexit heartaches. 

Would you guys like to see us take the plunge into producing our own vehicle models from scratch? (in addition to, not to the detriment of the railway models of course!)

If so, what would you guys like to see? 

Cheers!

Fran

Yes!!!

Hell yes!

There are so many "Irish" type vehicles, from the Hino trucks to the Japanese cars to the Renault 4 vans!

One topic that I had hoped to research properly before posting, and have not yet done so, is IRM Oxford commissions.

What would the chances be of some commissions like this, with current Oxford vehicles commissioned with Irish liveries, either individual vehicles or era-appropriate multi-packs?

For example, An post, Telecom Eireann, Eircom, ESB, Bord Gais etc.

A set of eighties vehicles displaying the logos and designs of several Irish companies, a set of 1990's vehciles, a set of 2000's vehicles, a set of 2010's vehicles, a set of 2020's vehicles and so on.

Also, the Oxford Tayto truck must have another Irish application, even an Irish utilities vehicle, plus their DAF 2800's and 85's?

I haven't done proper research but since you ask, this seems the right time to make the suggestion.

I have some 1:87 Brekina Renault 4 vans but they are just too small alongside the 1:76 vehicles.

Please please please look into the possibility of some Oxford commissions, in the interim while pondering building your own range!

[Warbonnet]

2 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Yes!!!

Hell yes!

There are so many "Irish" type vehicles, from the Hino trucks to the Japanese cars to the Renault 4 vans!

One topic that I had hoped to research properly before posting, and have not yet done so, is IRM Oxford commissions.

What would the chances be of some commissions like this, with current Oxford vehicles commissioned with Irish liveries, either individual vehicles or era-appropriate multi-packs?

For example, An post, Telecom Eireann, Eircom, ESB, Bord Gais etc.

A set of eighties vehicles displaying the logos and designs of several Irish companies, a set of 1990's vehciles, a set of 2000's vehicles, a set of 2010's vehicles, a set of 2020's vehicles and so on.

Also, the Oxford Tayto truck must have another Irish application, even an Irish utilities vehicle, plus their DAF 2800's and 85's?

I haven't done proper research but since you ask, this seems the right time to make the suggestion.

I have some 1:87 Brekina Renault 4 vans but they are just too small alongside the 1:76 vehicles.

Please please please look into the possibility of some Oxford commissions, in the interim while pondering building your own range!

Hi @DJ Dangerous,

Interesting list! The Oxford commission idea is a good one but we're more keen to see if there's any merit in doing our own tooling. For those Oxford vehicles you pitched above it would be best to lobby Oxford direct as they are proactive in making Irish outline vehicles as we have seen in the past. 

Cheers!

Fran

[DJ Dangerous]

8 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

Hi @DJ Dangerous,

Interesting list! The Oxford commission idea is a good one but we're more keen to see if there's any merit in doing our own tooling. For those Oxford vehicles you pitched above it would be best to lobby Oxford direct as they are proactive in making Irish outline vehicles as we have seen in the past. 

Cheers!

Fran

As far as I'm concerned, definitely!

The buses that you've run show how well Irish vehicles will sell, and if you're looking at the possibility of mixed plastic like the Brekina's, and diecast chassis or something, the level of detail could be even higher.

Whatever you choose to run, it's likely to sell very well!

[iarnrod]

26 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

It's an interesting one. Funnily enough after we did our Rail Link commission we were contacted by somebody who robustly communicated that we should not be doing die cast models at all, and to keep away from them. Took us by surprise we must admit but thankfully doesnt seem the consensus when we see how well our City Swift buses went and our foray into retailing vehicles from Oxford and Northcord as accessories for Irish modellers to beat the Brexit heartaches. 

Would you guys like to see us take the plunge into producing our own vehicle models from scratch? (in addition to, not to the detriment of the railway models of course!)

If so, what would you guys like to see? 

Cheers!

Fran

That's an interesting one, as pretty sure no one can tell you what to do as a company assuming that you are not breaking any commercial, competition or copyright laws. Would presume its someone trying to protect their own patch in this case.

As regards vehicles being designed from scratch, plenty of scope in bus models, which would also have some crossover with the UK market, and allow sufficient models to be made to enable a profitable return on any investment. Take the Gemini 3 for example - largest member of DB fleet (over 600 of them) and used by many operators in UK, but no model currently exists. As IRM are currently working with Britbus, maybe a partnership could also be made with Northcord to allow some modifications of their existing toolings to enable the Dublin Bus Enviro 400 and 500 type buses to be made available. A commission of the new hybrid type E400 in TFI livery once Northcord releases that model would also be a nice addition. 

 

[Mayner]

A 1970-80s Irish construction collection 3 axle Hino mixer, tipper and block truck with Hiab Grab, possibly a generic chassis and body with the option of Hino, Ford D or even Volvo cabs.

One Roadstone owner driver in the late 70s invested in a Volvo for hauling stone from Belgard & De Selby while his colleagues bought Ford and Hino

Roadstone operated all three types nationwide, Readymix concrete and blocks plus regional companies and a lot of unbranded owner driver tippers hauling for the major suppliers, earthmoving contractors and on their own account.

Irish concrete mixer trucks were usually fitted with higher capacity bottles than similar vehicles in the UK, similarly tipper trucks were fitted with high capacity bodies (Thompson Carlow?) which were quite different in design and appearance to the UK.

 

[Warbonnet]

4 hours ago, iarnrod said:

That's an interesting one, as pretty sure no one can tell you what to do as a company assuming that you are not breaking any commercial, competition or copyright laws. Would presume its someone trying to protect their own patch in this case.

As regards vehicles being designed from scratch, plenty of scope in bus models, which would also have some crossover with the UK market, and allow sufficient models to be made to enable a profitable return on any investment. Take the Gemini 3 for example - largest member of DB fleet (over 600 of them) and used by many operators in UK, but no model currently exists. As IRM are currently working with Britbus, maybe a partnership could also be made with Northcord to allow some modifications of their existing toolings to enable the Dublin Bus Enviro 400 and 500 type buses to be made available. A commission of the new hybrid type E400 in TFI livery once Northcord releases that model would also be a nice addition. 

 

Indeed @iarnrod, we were taken aback and a bit surprised and disappointed to be honest, but that's life. A robust rebuttal was forthcoming and indeed what was instructed does break competition laws. However, we just rather put it behind us and move on, and hopefully the other party does that too! 

Some great suggestions from both yourself and @Mayner. I have a fondness for anything with an engine, so some of these will appeal. It's just assessing commercial viability, covering different eras etc. 

Cheers!

Fran

[jhb171achill]

6 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

It's an interesting one. Funnily enough after we did our Rail Link commission we were contacted by somebody who robustly communicated that we should not be doing die cast models at all, and to keep away from them. Took us by surprise we must admit but thankfully doesnt seem the consensus when we see how well our City Swift buses went and our foray into retailing vehicles from Oxford and Northcord as accessories for Irish modellers to beat the Brexit heartaches. 

Would you guys like to see us take the plunge into producing our own vehicle models from scratch? (in addition to, not to the detriment of the railway models of course!)

If so, what would you guys like to see? 

Cheers!

Fran

Out of curiosity, upon what perceived basis did they try to tell you this? And, again out of curiosity, and if it does not compromise privacy, were these people also in the same business?

I would like to see a typical 1960s post office van. Often seen at stations picking up mail vans.

[Warbonnet]

1 minute ago, jhb171achill said:

Out of curiosity, upon what perceived basis did they try to tell you this? And, again out of curiosity, and if it does not compromise privacy, were these people also in the same business?

I would like to see a typical 1960s post office van. Often seen at stations picking up mail vans.

Just that we shouldnt be making vehicles JB, but I wont go any further into it than that. Mistakes were made as they say, and hopefully they learnt from it too.

What vans did P&T have in the 60s? Befords, Commers, Thames? Them new fangled Transits? I like the overall green livery, but the orange and white that came in the 70s with the revised logo was fantastic too! 

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

Just that we shouldnt be making vehicles JB, but I wont go any further into it than that. Mistakes were made as they say, and hopefully they learnt from it too.

What vans did P&T have in the 60s? Befords, Commers, Thames? Them new fangled Transits? I like the overall green livery, but the orange and white that came in the 70s with the revised logo was fantastic too! 

And no rationale as to why you shouldn't be making them?

I couldn't be 100% certain on all types of vans, but the ones I remember earliest were, I think - Ford? They had a narrow cab and a radiator on the front. I'd say they were of mid-50s vintage onwards. (plus orange Ford transits in the 70s with white doors)

[Billycan]

2 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

Indeed @iarnrod, we were taken aback and a bit surprised and disappointed to be honest, but that's life. A robust rebuttal was forthcoming and indeed what was instructed does break competition laws. However, we just rather put it behind us and move on, and hopefully the other party does that too! 

Some great suggestions from both yourself and @Mayner. I have a fondness for anything with an engine, so some of these will appeal. It's just assessing commercial viability, covering different eras etc. 

Cheers!

Fran

On the rails you have modelled the 42ft liners and the Guinness kegs so, would trucks for Bell, B&I and Guinness fit the bill? Then Jacob's Biscuits and Clery's.  Would price be key in this?  I would happily by something like a VW Polo or a Ford Escort or a Nissan Qashqai with an Irish registration number but it would have to compete at €6.99.

[jhb171achill]

Oxford Diecast had a few items at about £5 sterling.....I have what's supposed to be a garda van, though i don't know enough about policing vehicles to know whether it's authentic or not.......

[Billycan]

A nice second important consideration JB.  First price and now authenticity and I guess that's authenticity of the vehicle and of its livery.  All manner of Irish vehicles star in the various videos and photos posted on this forum and they certainly look the business, add so much to the modelled scene and all for very little cost.  The vehicles come from a number of stables and perhaps some of the modellers on here could comment on their authenticity.

[iarnrod]

On 4/5/2021 at 3:40 PM, Warbonnet said:

Indeed @iarnrod, we were taken aback and a bit surprised and disappointed to be honest, but that's life. A robust rebuttal was forthcoming and indeed what was instructed does break competition laws. However, we just rather put it behind us and move on, and hopefully the other party does that too! 

Some great suggestions from both yourself and @Mayner. I have a fondness for anything with an engine, so some of these will appeal. It's just assessing commercial viability, covering different eras etc. 

Cheers!

Fran

Just learned yesterday on another site that seemingly quite a few of the model bus manufacturers are thinking of leaving Hong Kong (diecast bus capital of the world) which might mean less diecast buses in the near future. One well known diecast bus business has already closed its doors. Possibly another reason for IRM/Accurascale to investigate buses as an additional sideline to the main railway products.

Edited May 5, 2021 by iarnrod

[murphaph]

Slightly off topic but does anyone know why most model buses and other road vehicles tend to be diecast metal whereas most railway stock has plastic bodies, at least in 1/76 scale?

[DJ Dangerous]

2 hours ago, murphaph said:

Slightly off topic but does anyone know why most model buses and other road vehicles tend to be diecast metal whereas most railway stock has plastic bodies, at least in 1/76 scale?

Probably so that when kids bash each others heads in with them, the buses survive.

Metal-bodied railway stock would probably lead to the trains weighing too much for the locos.