heirflick Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 hi lads, just wondering how many of you would be interested in getting a model of the rpsi's 461 - if anyone could be persuaded to producing one? just want to gauge your reaction. i would definately take 2, one in grey, the other in her current rpsi livery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Interesting. Is your proposal RTR or are you going to be putting subtle pressure on SSM to design a kit? Chassis for 461 would - on the face of it - be simple; no visible valve gear, but plenty of space between the frames (in 21mm) to have working cranks and inside motion. My name's already down for NCC "WT"/Jeep no.4, which Worsley Works have been quietly slaving over for a little while! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 It would be interesting to see, but economics stand against a ready-to-run model of 461. Only two such locomotives were built for the DSER, so there would be limited appeal in that regard. A brass kit would certainly be a possibility, though... as far as I know, no other DSER locos have been produced commercially, and the two moguls got to stretch their legs beyond their old stamping ground under GSR/CIÉ, giving more modellers an excuse to run one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 ..... A brass kit would certainly be a possibility, though... . Looks like SSM or Worsley, then. Can't wait to see the look on Des's face when you approach him with "a proposition".....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) Looks like SSM or Worsley, then. Can't wait to see the look on Des's face when you approach him with "a proposition".....! Just when he was starting to get some sleep at night, too! He slaved over the 800 class kit for a loooong time, so I wouldn't be holding my breath for an SSM DSER mogul to hit the market just yet... Edited November 7, 2012 by Garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I'd certainly be interested - what have you in mind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Slightly OT, but when I saw 461 appear in a film (it may have been Michael Collins), there was something quite weird about the way it moved. It may have been the quality of the track, or possibly the camera itself but as it came towards the camera, it actually appeared to bounce on its springs with every revolution of the driving wheels. I've never seen anything quite like that before or since! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) have emailes des and if there is sufficent interest he will considder the project. no more at the moment,as he is going to ease off a bit after the sulzer launch. heres hoping! so, whose i nterested? Edited November 7, 2012 by heirflick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 Slightly OT, but when I saw 461 appear in a film (it may have been Michael Collins), there was something quite weird about the way it moved. It may have been the quality of the track, or possibly the camera itself but as it came towards the camera, it actually appeared to bounce on its springs with every revolution of the driving wheels. I've never seen anything quite like that before or since! I've seen it do that with my own eyes passing at speed through Castleknock station years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 the two moguls got to stretch their legs beyond their old stamping ground under GSR/CIÉ, giving more modellers an excuse to run one. Also the fact that it is active today in preservation. As far as I can see the majority of Irish modellers model diesel era and an RPSI special is the perfect excuse to take out the kettle for a spin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 have emailes des and if there is sufficent interest he will considder the project. no more at the moment.... Father Jack: "They lie in wait like wolves, the smell of blood in their nostrils. Waiting, interminably waiting, and then..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Father Jack: "They lie in wait like wolves, the smell of blood in their nostrils. Waiting, interminably waiting, and then..." ....come the words we all know and love - 'drink, arse and feck!' - that could be our motto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 .... 'drink, arse and feck!'..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I also would take a model of 461, if you think about its appeal over lots of era"s why not put the idea to Mr Murphy? Just look at all the small market locos appearing on the British scene,I"ll bet superD"S are not flying off shelves like they did when first released. And ready to run must have a wide appeal to the younger market. Is"nt 461 on coil springs? this would give a very bouncey ride as there would be little damping, which is what you get with leaf springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 (edited) I've seen it do that with my own eyes passing at speed through Castleknock station years ago. heres the clip of 461 at speed bouncing like mad! forward to 7 minutes in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Aq7bcY9tuao Edited November 9, 2012 by heirflick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7bcY9tuao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hidden-agenda Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I enjoyed the film and its probably the track that is used today is,nt laid to take the hammer blow that steam locos create as well as the suspension type used on 461 but the more i look at the loco the more i want to build one or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I would consider a RTR model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 ...... Isn't 461 on coil springs? this would give a very bouncey ride as there would be little damping, which is what you get with leaf springs. I think they are volute springs, which are quite long travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 9, 2012 Author Share Posted November 9, 2012 the more i look at the loco the more i want to build one or two. BUILD THEM FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!! no pressure gareth, but if you do i will be your first customer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd love to see a kit produced. I'd love to have a go at building one. It a beautiful loco especially in the new green livery. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 BUILD THEM FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST!!! [ATTACH=CONFIG]3509[/ATTACH] no pressure gareth, but if you do i will be your first customer! All good things come to those who wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 All good things come to those who wait... *waits* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) I'd love to see a kit produced. I'd love to have a go at building one. It a beautiful loco especially in the new green livery. Rich, Not sure about green much prefer black or GSR grey for freight locos. 461 would be an excellent beginners scratch-building project either in plasticard or metal on the old Triang 3F or Airfix/Hornby 4F chassis. Drawing© Alan Roone 1971 the drawing is from a set of 4 including No90, 184 & A39r but do not include a section or plan view. We would need someone to take some measurements and photos. Edited November 10, 2012 by Mayner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Not sure about green much prefer black or GSR grey for freight locos. Yes John black or grey would be nicer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) john, fair play to you - the hornby 4f.....now thats a thought thats going to fester! have been compairing your drawing with a pic of a 4f. lenghten the cab, extend the frane at the front , stick in a pony truck, remodel wheel arches and replace the dome........conversion doable? Edited November 11, 2012 by heirflick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 What about if there was a kit designed to fit a RTR loco like a 4F or similar? A new brass cab, pony truck, spashers etc. Would there be interest in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 john, fair play to you - the hornby 4f.....now thats a thought thats going to fester! have been compairing your drawing with a pic of a 4f. lenghten the cab, extend the frane at the front , stick in a set of trailing wheels, remodel wheel arches and replace the dome........conversion doable? I did one years ago on a Triang-Hornby Jinty chassis plasticard body, boiler from brass tube, scratchbuilt tender, few evenings work but scrapped the loco cause I wasnt happy with the motor sticking out the back of the cab. Going forward with David's idea it would be fairly simple to do a set of scratchbuilders parts for a brass body with a nickle silver chassis if you wanted something that runs better with the drive on the loco. The main snag and cost/time involvedin sourcing/producing parts like boiler fittings, axleguards & buffers, parts like wheels gears motors, bearings are readily available from the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Drawing© Alan Roone 1971 the drawing is from a set of 4 including No90, 184 & A39r but do not include a section or plan view. We would need someone to take some measurements and photos. Unless i'm mistaken, that appears to be a CAD drawing. I'd love to know if it was redrawn from a pen and ink version, or was he a very early adopter/creator of early CAD systems? It wouldn't be too difficult to interpolate chassis plans, sections, front and rear views from the above, but more photos would help. Richie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishrail123 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I'd be interested in having any proper irish steam engine.... 461 would be great as well :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Have added to the Prototype drawings section, if anyone has more dimensions or photos to add! http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/content.php/327-DSER-NO-15-%28RPSI-no-461%29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankS Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This thread seems to have spread a bit onto possible resin or brass bodies on commercially available chassis, so I thought I'd just add to the general thinking by mentioning that in the book "The Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland" by Ernie Shepherd ( Midland Publishing 1994 ISBN 1-85780-008-7) there are 4mm scale drawings of :~ Class Lm 0-6-0 Tender Loco No. 135 Arran Isles which, I think "could" be pretty close to the new Bachmann LMS ex-Midland 3F Class loco chassis; and Class E 0-6-0 No 110 Bat which, I think "could" be pretty close to the Hornby (ex-Dapol) LBSC 'Terrier' Loco chassis. Just food for thought BTW If "anyone" does do any Irish body to go on a commercial chassis - put me down for one, please How about a NIR WT 2-6-4T Body to fit a Bachmann Blackburn chassis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There's a kit for the MGWR 'E' already, but GSWR No 90 on a Terrier chassis maybe?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) A Terrier chassis might be a bit big for 90... SSM produce a kit for the MGWR E class (J26). Edited November 12, 2012 by Garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 (edited) Frank S Good to see that you are developing a healthy interest in Midland engines I have one of the Standard Goods and an Achill Bogie on the to do list probably as a set of scratchbuilders parts for use with SSM E Class boiler fittings rather than a fully fledged kits. The Bachmann 3F would be nice but too long for the Midland & most Irish 0-6-0s a DSER engine like 461 or one of J8 0-6-0 would probably be the best compromise for a 3 or 4F Chassis The Hornby Dean Goods is probably closest in size to the J15 and Midland standard goods and Bachmann/Mainline J72 and has been used as a basis for the Midland E CIE/GSR J26 an extremly usefull little engine, that did good work on the Midland, Waterford and Tramore, West Cork and around Tralee. I will pass on 4mm drawings of 90 & 184 which would be good to compare with a Terrier and 184 Edited November 13, 2012 by Mayner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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