Shed with a difference!

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

I will be building a shed for a new layout during the year but I thought I would try something different, I want to build a replica of a wagon like one of the below so I need some kind of drawings or measurements as I might need to scale it down slightly, I have about 15ft of concrete to play with, can anyone assist with some info?

[Galteemore]

IRRS have a drawing of the SLNC van, available electronically. 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

32 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

IRRS have a drawing of the SLNC van, available electronically. 

How do I find it on there? I tried the search option.

[Galteemore]

Purchase here https://irrs.ie/archives/maps_drawings/

[Metrovik]

Ah have always wanted to see some 12 inches to the foot modelling..... Gonna need a huge craft knife. One thing we do know is, it will be realistically weathered

 

[murrayec]

@Gabhal Luimnigh Not sure about the availability of the IRRS drawings- Anthony McD' looked after the drawings but sadly he passed away a few years back, though contacting them will answer the question of availability?

Line drawings with principal dimensions can be found in Ian Allan's publications like;-

'Narrow Gauge Rolling Stock' by Desmond Coakham.

'The County Donegal Railways Companion' by Roger Crombleholme.

I know they are a different gauge but a great starting point, also I sure more published drawing recommendations can be offered on here!

I also know a man who built 2 storage sheds in wagon fashion, if he is agreeable I could get a few photos of what he did if you like?

Eoin

 

[murrayec]

Check out the resources on here for dimensional ideas;-  https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/resources/proto_drawings/

Eoin

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

9 minutes ago, murrayec said:

@Gabhal Luimnigh Not sure about the availability of the IRRS drawings- Anthony McD' looked after the drawings but sadly he passed away a few years back, though contacting them will answer the question of availability?

Line drawings with principal dimensions can be found in Ian Allan's publications like;-

'Narrow Gauge Rolling Stock' by Desmond Coakham.

'The County Donegal Railways Companion' by Roger Crombleholme.

I know they are a different gauge but a great starting point, also I sure more published drawing recommendations can be offered on here!

I also know a man who built 2 storage sheds in wagon fashion, if he is agreeable I could get a few photos of what he did if you like?

Eoin

 

Thanks Eoin, I found a drawing online and have all the measurements now, I even have them scaled down, fairly easily, multiplied everything by 0.83 and hey presto.

3 minutes ago, murrayec said:

Check out the resources on here for dimensional ideas;-  https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/resources/proto_drawings/

Eoin

Great source of information there, thanks Eoin, much appreciated.

[David Holman]

Alternatively get the Alphagraphix card kit of the Sligo brake van, for about four quid, in 7mm scale. They also do various other wagons for the same price.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

This is the plan, I started clearing the area and doing some rezoning 

This is the site for the build

 

 

[murrayec]

 

@Gabhal Luimnigh Here are a few photos of the sheds I mentioned above, I know it's different to what you have in mind but it gives some ideas, especially the ground level detail;-

 

 

Eoin.

 

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

37 minutes ago, murrayec said:

 

@Gabhal Luimnigh Here are a few photos of the sheds I mentioned above, I know it's different to what you have in mind but it gives some ideas, especially the ground level detail;-

 

 

Eoin.

 

 

Thanks Eoin, I am going to try and give the illusion of wheels underneath with the step included, ambitious I know but hopefully worth the effort, there's some tidy woodwork in those sheds.

[Mayner]

5 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Thanks Eoin, I am going to try and give the illusion of wheels underneath with the step included, ambitious I know but hopefully worth the effort, there's some tidy woodwork in those sheds.

As builder and construction project manager I have serious reservations about the ground level detail of the sheds in Murray's photos.

There appears to be a risk or damp and potential failure (rot) of the shed structure in the apparent absence of underfloor ventilation or a dampproof membrane between the ground and the shed one of the underlying principals of building construction. I ended up replacing the timber ground floor with a concrete slab on a dpm in a house in Dublin about 30 years  ago as a result of blocked underfloor vents.

Personally I would build the shed using timber frame construction either on a suspended timber floor on timber piles

 

or a concrete raft/slab foundation

Timber frame construction was and remains the standard for housing construction in New Zealand, I built a scaled down version of a New Zealand Railways platform shelter as a store in our garden.

Personally if I was building a replica or a Brake Van or Wagon, I would use 100X50mm treated timber for the structural framing, with treated T&G board or treated grooved plywood for the cladding on a building membrane, with treated 4X1 for the cosmetic outside framing. Internally walls ceilings and underfloor insulated with batt insulation and lined with plasterboard or plywood depending on your taste.

Potentially looking at a min 6X2" for floor joists at 16" centres supported on 4X3 bearers to support a couple of people in the shed if you go for a suspended floor.

Local building regs. require a min 400mm ground clearance under a suspended floor so potential space if you want to allow for wheels, brake gear and steps.

 

Edited January 31 by Mayner

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

4 hours ago, Mayner said:

As builder and construction project manager I have serious reservations about the ground level detail of the sheds in Murray's photos.

There appears to be a risk or damp and potential failure (rot) of the shed structure in the apparent absence of underfloor ventilation or a dampproof membrane between the ground and the shed one of the underlying principals of building construction. I ended up replacing the timber ground floor with a concrete slab on a dpm in a house in Dublin about 30 years  ago as a result of blocked underfloor vents.

Personally I would build the shed using timber frame construction either on a suspended timber floor on timber piles

 

or a concrete raft/slab foundation

Timber frame construction was and remains the standard for housing construction in New Zealand, I built a scaled down version of a New Zealand Railways platform shelter as a store in our garden.

Personally if I was building a replica or a Brake Van or Wagon, I would use 100X50mm treated timber for the structural framing, with treated T&G board or treated grooved plywood for the cladding on a building membrane, with treated 4X1 for the cosmetic outside framing. Internally walls ceilings and underfloor insulated with batt insulation and lined with plasterboard or plywood depending on your taste.

Potentially looking at a min 6X2" for floor joists at 16" centres supported on 4X3 bearers to support a couple of people in the shed if you go for a suspended floor.

Local building regs. require a min 400mm ground clearance under a suspended floor so potential space if you want to allow for wheels, brake gear and steps.

 

Thanks, I've a fair idea about building myself

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

The wood for the base of the wagon has arrived.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Shed removed, I will tidy it up tomorrow.

 

[LARNE CABIN]

Impressive work Dennis. Are you ' THE HANDY HANDYMAN' yourself? As someone on the forum might say 'fair dues lad'. 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

27 minutes ago, LARNE CABIN said:

Impressive work Dennis. Are you ' THE HANDY HANDYMAN' yourself? As someone on the forum might say 'fair dues lad'. 

Yep, guilty

[WRENNEIRE]

30 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Yep, guilty

Recognise the van from Sligo Dennis!

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

1 hour ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Recognise the van from Sligo Dennis!

Let me know the next time you're up if you have time for a pint Dave

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Base almost finished, need to collect a few more lengths of timber, I have a good idea of area now

 

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

In position, easier to manoeuvre before the rest of the joists are fitted, getting a bit dark now.

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Got some 6" t & g floorboards and started cutting for the first panel, a gable, I had to plane a slight bevel on the tongue side for the more authentic look.

 

I will treat them before assembly.

[derek]

23 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Got some 6" t & g floorboards 

 

 

I will treat them before assembly.

To a film and a nice meal afterwards..............

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Treated the tongues and grooves first, tomorrow night I will draw the curve and fit the uprights.

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

One gable done, it's going to be fun moving the panels into position

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Oh and it's going to be grey in colour 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Guards door almost ready

 

[Metrovik]

5 hours ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Oh and it's going to be grey in colour 

Prototypically accurate I hope? 

Edited February 10 by Metrovik

[Galteemore]

6 minutes ago, Metrovik said:

Prototypically accurate I hope? 

If SLNC, then door handle goes on left  

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Great day for it, got a bit dark to do anything else, excuse the dusky pics.

 

[jhb171achill]

Oooooooh boy! Looking forward to seeing THIS finished.

(I understand that Galteemore is building a live steam 12" = 1ft scale "Lissadell" to run with it.......................)

[Broithe]

53 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

 excuse the dusky pics.

Any dusky pics need to be of maidens.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Daylight pictures, I'm still working things out as I go so ignore the props and parts unpainted, proper grey paint is on the way 

[derek]

Coming on at a rate of knots Denis. Good stuff. Is your train room behind that stone wall (knockseo). Do I recognise the little window from pcs of that?