Ernies Massive Irish 1930's to 2005 Photo Archive

[leslie10646]

11 hours ago, Galteemore said:

As @leslie10646will confirm, the 171 pic was on an historic day. This was a mammoth RPSI tour, which involved the only ever UG working to Portrush  - and the last steaming of 207. So a sad photo in many ways but very precious. 

Yes, indeed, although I was timing Bulleid Pacifics on the Bournemouth line that day!

When I published a history of the first 25 years of the RPSI Steam's Silver Lining, I noted in the caption of the photo of 171 piloting No.207 Boyne - "The saddest photo in the book" - as it was No.207's last run. She was condemned by her 21 ton axle-loading, which would have restricted her usefulness on tours (Belfast - Dublin - Cork). Yet No.85, with the same loading has been almost everywhere - modern diesels, unthought of in 1965, are so much heavier!

 

[Horsetan]

7 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

....When I published a history of the first 25 years of the RPSI Steam's Silver Lining, I noted in the caption of the photo of 171 piloting No.207 Boyne - "The saddest photo in the book" - as it was No.207's last run. She was condemned by her 21 ton axle-loading, which would have restricted her usefulness on tours (Belfast - Dublin - Cork). Yet No.85, with the same loading has been almost everywhere - modern diesels, unthought of in 1965, are so much heavier!

207's tender survived, though

[leslie10646]

Correct, Ivan. Not used now - does it still exist?

[Galteemore]

10 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

Correct, Ivan. Not used now - does it still exist?

Indeed it does - tender no 31. Don’t think it has any future - the Mogul if and when finished will apparently use one of the ex U tenders.

[Horsetan]

22 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Indeed it does - tender no 31. Don’t think it has any future ....

Anyone fancy funding a replica 207 Boyne? Only the engine portion to worry about.....!

[Irishswissernie]

SLNCR 1957-06-08 Glenfarne 'Lough Melvin' LN1114.

IE 2000 ca. Sligo 083 j166.

NIR 1969-06 Cloghans Point, WT4 Spoil train.

 

 

[Galteemore]

LOL Ernie. Those are basically the two locations that define my childhood railway memories. I grew up in earshot of the Larne line and made regular visits to my grandparents in SLNCR-land. On one memorable occasion, we had to rush a parcel of my grandfather’s fresh caught salmon (which had travelled by railcar pre 57) over the mountain to catch the last train from Sligo….

Looks very like the Glenfarne shot shows the 2pm goods out of Enniskillen in mid-shunt.

Edited November 3 by Galteemore

[jhb171achill]

On 10/10/2024 at 8:09 AM, Irishswissernie said:

CIE 1964-06-09 Limerick 2627 on curve to North Kerry line yj175.

 

 

If this is 1964, it must be a special of some sort? Passenger service to Tralee finished a year earlier.......... or is it just parked?

 

Edited November 5 by jhb171achill

[Irishswissernie]

CIE 1962-09 Youghal 262 yj203. 

CIE 1961-3 ca Roscrea 125 xing A16 yj205.

CIE 1982-03-15 Thurles 052 fertiliser yj204.

 

[Irishswissernie]

CIE 1955-08-04 Dublin Harcourt St. D14 89 KCorig 249005.

CIE 1956-07-xx Waterford 223 + 133 249015, The goods yard & loco shed with 2 J15's in the foreground.

GNRI 1965-07-19 Belfast 'Shaky Bridge' Antrim-Bangor Exc 48 JGD6512087.

 

 

[Mol_PMB]

A fascinating view across Waterford yard. All those cattle wagons (and a few horseboxes)! I think I can see a few cattle wagons without rooves?

It's 1956 and wagons with the Bulleid triangulated underframe are a tiny proportion of what we see in this photo.

[leslie10646]

I'll be showing some remarkable views of Waterford station and yard when I present a show of the late David Soggee's slides by Zoom to IRRS London on 6 December. I'll post the Zoom code nearer the time.

[Patrick Davey]

The superb views continue!  Didn't realise the silver livery was still around in 1961.

Edited November 12 by Patrick Davey

[Horsetan]

7 hours ago, Irishswissernie said:

CIE 1955-08-04 Dublin Harcourt St. D14 89 KCorig 249005.

 

 

There's all sorts of things going on in that D14 - it looks like two or three different designs in one.

[Paul 34F]

The D14 has been updated.  
Belpaire firebox, new cab and rebuilt footplate.  It then becomes a lovely curiosity due to the very old tender.

Paul

[jhb171achill]

9 hours ago, Patrick Davey said:

The superb views continue!  Didn't realise the silver livery was still around in 1961.

The odd coach and loco had it until 1963 or 4 - a handful of vehicles went straight from that to black'n'tan.

They had stopped turning anything out fresh in silver after only a few years, 1955-57. By 1958, the last "C" class locos entered service in green.

Obviously not everything was repainted overnight, hence the above. Same with the green; while it was superceded in late 1962, there were still a handful of green coaches to be seen as late as 1967. And as I've mentioned before, you'd still see the odd "H" van with a snail on it right to the end of loose-coupled goods in 1976.

[Horsetan]

3 hours ago, Paul 34F said:

The D14 has been updated.  
Belpaire firebox, new cab and rebuilt footplate.  It then becomes a lovely curiosity due to the very old tender.

Looks like it was superheated as well, owing to the extended smokebox

[Mayner]

On 13/11/2024 at 7:43 AM, Paul 34F said:

The D14 has been updated.  
Belpaire firebox, new cab and rebuilt footplate.  It then becomes a lovely curiosity due to the very old tender.

Paul

The GSR/CIE rebuilds of the D14s is somewhat complicated.

The GSR rebuilt 3 of the 15 D14s 62, 88 & 89 with new frames, running boards and canopy cabs in the mid-20s 62 & 88 were re-built with extended smokeboxes retaining the original saturated boiler. 89 was rebuilt with a saturated Belpair boiler (later used in the 700 Class 0-6-0s) and re-classified as D13 from 1925-33

65 was rebuilt with a 700 Class boiler and a canopy cab but retained her existing frames and curving running board in 1931!

62,88 & 89 were later re-built with Z Superheated boiler same as used on the J15.

61 & 65 appear to be the only members of the class that were not superheated.

D14s like several ex-GSWR classes locos ran with tenders with diffent 

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-STEAM/i-FWNJ8dc/A

62 Inchacore Superheated boiler high capacity Type C Tender

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-STEAM/i-bKSrFvc/A

The ugly duckling 65

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-STEAM/i-TTc9HH8/A

88 Superheated boiler small Type A Tender

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-STEAM/i-L8CzXDF/A

89 Early CIE days being prepared for the road Superheated boiler medium capacity Type B tender.

 

[leslie10646]

Thanks for the very informative post, John.

But, eemmm ..... if it had new frames, in some peoples' books that's a new engine?

I wonder how much of the original remained?

[Irishswissernie]

CIE 1961-06-06 or 07  ca where 125 yj191. You can just see the back of that distinctive (or should it be ugly?) headboard of the IRRS Tour. This is either 6 June Limerick-Roscrea-Ballybrophy or 7 June Limerick - Ennis -Athenry - Attymon. (Six Bells Junction Tours website). EDIT Confirmed as Nenagh 6 June 1961

CB&SCR 1954-09-04 Baltimore KC ref 249022.

yj181 CIE 1982-03-14 Ballina 058 yj181.

 

Edited November 15 by Irishswissernie

[Mol_PMB]

In the first photo, as well as the ubiquitous vans, there's a nice tar/bitumen tank in the background. These were numbered 23801-23890 and delivered in 1953/54. They had a 'British' underframe length of 17'6" rather than the Irish standard of 16'11".

Also the flat wagon in the left foreground is interesting, with its low sides, some of these are seen in this photo from the National Library of Ireland on Flickr, mixed in with other types of flat wagon:

 

Edited November 15 by Mol_PMB
added second sentence and image link.

[Horsetan]

1 hour ago, leslie10646 said:

....But, eemmm ..... if it had new frames, in some peoples' books that's a new engine? ...

Not if you're a railway accountant. If you look at what the LMS did when creating the first two "Rebuilt Claughtons" (i.e. leading directly to the "Patriot"), the engines were to all intents and purposes new, with only the Claughton driving wheels, bogie wheels and maybe the bogies being reused.

Doing it that way seems to mean the capital account is unaffected, as you count it as repairs instead. 'Tis all creative accountancy.

Edited November 15 by Horsetan

[GSR 800]

53 minutes ago, Horsetan said:

Not if you're a railway accountant. If you look at what the LMS did when creating the first two "Rebuilt Claughtons" (i.e. leading directly to the "Patriot"), the engines were to all intents and purposes new, with only the Claughton driving wheels, bogie wheels and maybe the bogies being reused.

Doing it that way seems to mean the capital account is unaffected, as you count it as repairs instead. 'Tis all creative accountancy.

Far from limited to railways

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Puritan_(1864)

The US navy took a very liberal approach to 'rebuilds' of some of their ironclads to deal with Congress penny pinching on naval expenditure. 

Literally built a new battleship, slapped the old nameplates and bell of the old civil war ironclad on it and called it a rebuild

[Irishswissernie]

I have a hunch that the first  shown again below photo could be at Nenagh.

 

[Mol_PMB]

5 minutes ago, Irishswissernie said:

I have a hunch that the first  shown again below photo could be at Nenagh.

 

Definitely. 'Rails Through Tipperary' page 24 shows a later view from the same angle.

[Irishswissernie]

Yes, definitely Nenagh , I have also found a good view on here.

https://www.ciamaltha.net/history/railway-station

Thanks

[jhb171achill]

11 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Thanks for the very informative post, John.

But, eemmm ..... if it had new frames, in some peoples' books that's a new engine?

I wonder how much of the original remained?

Indeed. We look at 90, 184 & 186; while they technically date from 1875, 1880 and 1879 respectively, they're classic Trigger's brushes. There is virtually nothing on any of the trio much before 1915, and later in some cases.

[Mayner]

20 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Thanks for the very informative post, John.

But, eemmm ..... if it had new frames, in some peoples' books that's a new engine?

I wonder how much of the original remained?

Not a lot different from Dundalk's 1937 'heavy overhaul' of the S & S2 Class incl. 171 as virtually new locos complete with new deeper frames 

The GSWR appears to have started the trend in 1918 by beginning the re-build of its large 321 Class 4-4-0s with new stronger frames and raised running boards (retaining original saturated  tapered boiler and Coey Cab) , MGW picked up the trend in 1925 by re-building 3 (half) of its Celtic Class 4-4-0s with superheated boilers, piston valves, new frames with raised running boards and canopy cabs. 

Its alleged that the 321s were re-built with frames cut but not used for additional members of the 341 Class following Richard Mansell's resignation as CME  and move to the South Eastern.

One of the theories behind the rebuilding of 62,88-89 in 1925 a contemporary styling was that it was intended to use the locos on a fast Dublin-Cork Newspaper Train and the 60 Class had a reputation as a fast reliable fast passenger loco.  

I must get the finger out and assemble the set of parts I have had in stock for a D14 since February.

 

 

[LNERW1]

On 12/11/2024 at 10:01 AM, Patrick Davey said:

The superb views continue!  Didn't realise the silver livery was still around in 1961.

I did, thanks @jhb171achill!

[Irishswissernie]

CIE 1959-07-30 Ballinrobe. 20.20 to Claremorris poss no 585 yj084.

CIE 1970 's Claremorris A58r yj083.

CDRJC 1957-CA Stranorlar Railcar 12 Cab unit yj082

 

[leslie10646]

I'd say that the photo at Ballinrobe is pretty unique - the first colour I've seen there. Surprising bearing in mind the date - there were a fair few Englishmen around with slide film in their cameras then.

Thanks for sharing it Ernie!

[Irishswissernie]

I recently acquired this negative of 557 shunting at Cork Albert Quay. Its excellent quality so have appended a couple of enlargments  showing the Brake Van at right and also of the train with bitumen tank 23829 next to 557.  CB&SCR 1956-06-19 Cork Albert Quay 557 ref249025

 

 

[Mol_PMB]

Super, many thanks for the detailed views of the wagonry. The side of the brakevan looks very presentable (and even has shaded numbering!) but the roof is in a terrible state!

[Irishswissernie]

2 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

but the roof is in a terrible state!

Good excuse for my modelling skill!

[Horsetan]

On 19/11/2024 at 8:01 AM, Irishswissernie said:

CIE 1959-07-30 Ballinrobe. 20.20 to Claremorris poss no 585 yj084.

CIE 1970 's Claremorris A58r yj083.

CDRJC 1957-CA Stranorlar Railcar 12 Cab unit yj082

 

The era when Claremorris had a track layout worth replicating

On 19/11/2024 at 1:21 PM, leslie10646 said:

I'd say that the photo at Ballinrobe is pretty unique - the first colour I've seen there. ...

Compared to how it is today from the road side....