Noel Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I have acquired a rake of cravens and to say I am pleased with them would be an understatement. Superb bodies. However, one minor niggle and I presume it's just me, but I find the interior blue seating is a bit gareish. Don't know if its the wrong colour or the old issue of true colours not scaling down without modification. It is annoying me so much I'm going to repaint the interiors to try and loose the cold blue refrigerated look. It just seems to clash with the exterior so much and not what I remember travelling on cravens years ago. I think I will go for a warmer neutral colour that is less stark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I know what you mean, I think its because the real craven seats were a mixture of gray / blue / orange patch an not a solid colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 They are very blue alright. Painting them sounds like a plan! The earlier liveried Cravens that MM produced have a different coloured seating. A kind of brown, I think.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 They are very blue alright. Painting them sounds like a plan! The earlier liveried Cravens that MM produced have a different colored seating. A kind of brown, I think.... The early livery has a more red-brown color while the later liveried interiors are blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The original - and long lived - seating colour was a dark grey fabric with a darkish blue "fleck" through it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave182 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Noel, couldn't agree more. It's a bit 'loud'! It's a job that's on my to do list- would very much appreciate if you took a few photos while you are breaking in to the Cravens! Am a bit nervous of tacking this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Noel, couldn't agree more. It's a bit 'loud'! It's a job that's on my to do list- would very much appreciate if you took a few photos while you are breaking in to the Cravens! Am a bit nervous of tacking this! Definitely. Always willing to learn from others in delicate situations. The Cravens would really benefit from slightly less vivid seating - and a few passengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Have a look at the photos in this link. It gives an idea of that a difference the painting makes. And it doesn't take long either! http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/397-Carriage-Train-lighting-fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 Have a look at the photos in this link. It gives an idea of that a difference the painting makes. And it doesn't take long either! http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/397-Carriage-Train-lighting-fitted The seating colours in those looks much better. I might try that tone of blue and add the washable white head rest covers that were a feature of CIE coaches when I was a child. Like the coach lighting. How much current per coach do they use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Is the light in these coaches LEDs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eigyro Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Is the light in these coaches LEDs? Yes. LED strip. 15 lights per coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Ooh...NICE! One day... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 One other disapointing niggle with my new rake of cravens are the ultra reflective mirror like windows. None of my other coaches have plastic windows as reflective and you can clearly see inside the coaches from any viewing angle, but from some angles the craven's reflective windows really spoil the look of the coaches. Has anybody found a way to weather them or make them more satin in appearance (e.g. like Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol coaches which have clear plastic sheets behind the window frames rather than flush glazing plastic which obviously is not flat due to moulding). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Just discovered, the earlier livery MM CIE cravens (i.e. single white strip) do not have the fluorescent blue seating. Very nice coaches and look just right with a black 141. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnthebox Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Anto, don't you have a few rakes of those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 They are very blue alright. Painting them sounds like a plan! The earlier liveried Cravens that MM produced have a different coloured seating. A kind of brown, I think.... True. 007 mentioned that above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) One other disapointing niggle with my new rake of cravens are the ultra reflective mirror like windows. None of my other coaches have plastic windows as reflective and you can clearly see inside the coaches from any viewing angle, but from some angles the craven's reflective windows really spoil the look of the coaches. Has anybody found a way to weather them or make them more satin in appearance (e.g. like Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol coaches which have clear plastic sheets behind the window frames rather than flush glazing plastic which obviously is not flat due to moulding). This is just a wild suggestion and I'd take a coach you dislike from your collection to experiment on first…but, if you've ever had to refurbish old discolored car headlights, you can sand them down with progressively finer sandpaper during which they transition from "OMG, I've completely ruined the flippin' thing!" on the first pass with rough paper, to becoming completely translucent and shining new when the finest paper is used. If you were to be one paper rougher than 'finished', that it might solve your glare while leaving the windows sufficiently transparent to observe the interiors. I may be trial and error to find the correct finishing grit (if that's the correct term), and you'd have to remove the plastic from the coaches to do it of course. Lot of work but if they're bugging you and you're going to repaint the interiors anyway….. Edited January 2, 2015 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 This is just a wild suggestion and I'd take a coach you dislike from your collection to experiment on first…but,if you've ever had to refurbish old discolored car headlights, you can sand them down with progressively finer sandpaper during which they transition from "OMG, I've completely ruined the flippin' thing!" on the first pass with rough paper, to becoming completely translucent and shining new when the finest paper is used. If you were to be one paper rougher than 'finished', that it might solve your glare while leaving the windows sufficiently transparent to observe the interiors. I may be trial and error to find the correct finishing grit (if that's the correct term), and you'd have to remove the plastic from the coaches to do it of course. Lot of work but if they're bugging you and you're going to repaint the interiors anyway….. Interesting. I'd forgotten about the shiny glazing. Don't notice anymore, but the blue seating has to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Interesting. I'd forgotten about the shiny glazing. Don't notice anymore, but the blue seating has to go. =))Time cures all things …. keep looking at the blue seats, Noel! I'm sorry I brought it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 If you can get your hands on some clear it does a good job of getting rid of the prismatic look on the windows and makes it look like glass. Sanding them sounds a bit extreme and you could end up removing the printed black parts of the glazing unit. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 If you can get your hands on some clear it does a good job of getting rid of the prismatic look on the windows and makes it look like glass. Sanding them sounds a bit extreme and you could end up removing the printed black parts of the glazing unit. Rich, Thanks Rich. If you can forgive my ignorance, what is 'clear'? Cheers, Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 If you can get your hands on some clear it does a good job of getting rid of the prismatic look on the windows and makes it look like glass. Sanding them sounds a bit extreme and you could end up removing the printed black parts of the glazing unit. Rich, It's not as extreme as it sounds with a very fine paper, but if there are printed portions on the window that definitely will not work. I did not look at my cravens, I assumed the glass was flat. Like your idea better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Thanks Rich. If you can forgive my ignorance, what is 'clear'? Cheers, Noel Johnsons Clear or Klear as it is sometimes called is a floor polish that dries clear. I first became aware of it when a chap was using it on the cockpit canopy of an Airfix kit. After the canopy was dipped in the Clear it was left to dry overnight. When the Clear had dried the plastic looked like glass and amazingly took on the appearance that the glazing was thinner. I have also used it on attaching nameplates to models. They are still there to this day even having been handled many times. Google Johnsons Clear and it will give you all the info you need. I believe it has been renamed in the USA but the Google search will give you all the answers you need. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaine Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You cant get it now its that good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 You cant get it now its that good... True Ed. Luckily I have a bottle bought many years ago. It is still nearly full by the way. Here is a link which say's it all. http://www.scalemodelguide.com/hints-tips/general/using-klear-floor-varnish/ Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riversuir226 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Have two bottles of the stuff, DON T use the new version as its not clear and doesn t have the same effect. There is one of the model paint manufacturers (alcad) doing a kclear but i haven t tried it. Edited January 3, 2015 by Riversuir226 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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