Westcorkrailway's workbench

[Westcorkrailway]

Decided to run the loco today and things went to pot fairly fast. The loco would not move when the body was on (though you could hear the motor trying to start). Panic set in as I perhaps somehow, glue got into the motor. Thankfully all that was required was loosening the body screws and letting the loco run in for a few minutes again due to the new wait the brass sheet has giving the loco. Once the issue was fixed  Had it run with all my CIE coaches flat out 

 

ill get my buffer beams sorted on saterday with humbrol red paint and SSM transfers for both front and rear buffer beam 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by Westcorkrailway

[Westcorkrailway]

Rocksavage works finished work on paining 479 this morning. it will soon be sent out to the junction to replace a C class on a mixed train 

they were awful due to the fact the bandon tank decals were not designed to be put on independently. I lost both spare 467 and 469 decals while trying to apply them and something went wrong 

 

before the red enamel paint went on

 

the river side really shows how the decals really felt being put on. Horrendous but at least from far away there alright!

[Westcorkrailway]

 

Today is a good day, no school, passed driving test and now my brand new Oxford LNER cattle wagons arived they worked out including customs and postage. Just under a tenner a pop. 

they look reasonably like the CIE cattle wagons. the length, doors and the supports on the side are noticeably soo. But for he price I payed, there was bound to be some set backs. JM designs can would go behind these nicely 

The point is between these cattle wagons, and a few open wagons. I need the find a good colour grey for the paint. I’m aware the CIE goods Grey was quite light, had white snails (stencilled or normal) and the older wagons were darker grey with green snails in some cases. I wonder if anyone has a good rattle can or paint in general that matches up nicely with The Lighter Grey CIE used at the end of the 50s and start of the 60s.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Westcorkrailway

[Galteemore]

Excellent news - well done! Halfords grey plastic primer or its equivalent will do just fine.https://www.halfords.ie/motoring/paints-body-repair/primer/halfords-primer-grey-500ml-473116.html 

[popeye]

Grey primer should do nicely and then lots of dirt, they will look great.

Happy and safe driving. 

[Westcorkrailway]

9 minutes ago, popeye said:

Grey primer should do nicely and then lots of dirt, they will look great.

Happy and safe driving. 

Dead right! None of these wagons looked uniform in colour after a couple of uses!

[Westcorkrailway]

Found the end of a primer bottle in the workshop and used it for my CIE cattle wagons 

Coat 1/3 for the LNER wagons 

finished product 

ready for re-fitting wheels, buffers and maybe the vac pipes

 

maybe tommorow while the county Donegal zoom is going on, I’ll get these finished 

[Westcorkrailway]

Whilst talk of Donegal railways and the ambitious plans of future rail network went on, I was applying the transfers to the cattle wagons 

the choice of primer worked out excellent, these wagons look the real deal (if you remove the 40 shades of brown and black they got precisely 10 minutes into use) 

glad I got 6 of them as I’m starting to run out of room, never mind the JM designs brakevan on the way, and possible addition of H van conversions. 

The light grey 121 and Silver bulleid wagons to the left give a good indication to the final colour of the wagons  

[Westcorkrailway]

Yet another wagon rolls off the wagon works 

I will do a few more of these dapol open wagons when i get my hands on more white flying snail’s 

[KMCE]

If you were to cut away half of the brakes, you would have a very good look alike for a 1904 DWWR Hurst Nelson Open wagon?

[Mike 84C]

One thing that always puzzles/surprise's me is a steel under frame and braced axle boxes yet it looks as if only one brake lever and brake block or is it mirror imaged on the other side?

[Westcorkrailway]

Mission impossible is underway…

[Galteemore]

Excellent. Take it slowly, clean the joint areas well, use lots of flux and a hot iron, and you’ll be fine - and show us what you are up to!!

Edited January 29, 2022 by Galteemore

[Westcorkrailway]

29 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Excellent. Take it slowly, clean the joint areas well, use lots of flux and a hot iron, and you’ll be fine - and show us what you are up to!!

I think that perhaps you may be disappointed by how crude this yolk is going to end up looking! 

[David Holman]

Sort of, but there is the usual issue in that it seven planks to the Irish wagon's six. Seems to a rule that Irish open wagons have an even number of planks, whereas GB ones tend to be odd.

[Westcorkrailway]

 

some clues as to how I’m getting along

[Westcorkrailway]

bandon tank shell is (aside from the roof that refuses to attach despite putting on the correct curve. It took a fair bit of figuring out as I found the constructions hard to follow.

now as for the chassis, I reckon such a peice is beyond my ability. I’ll try toy around with a few options. But for now she didn’t look to bad.

[Galteemore]

Looks really good. Very neat soldering - can’t see any stray solder! Or have you gone down the superglue route? 

Edited January 29, 2022 by Galteemore

[Westcorkrailway]

18 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Or have you gone down the superglue route? 

Yes I have….that’ll come back to bite me I’m sure 

[Galteemore]

It’s a quick fix for small scale modelling but unpicking your work if unhappy with it may be problematic. Using solder allows for ‘tacking’ pieces in place with small solder joints to check the fit before soldering solid. The chassis is not something to be scared of. Get one of these and it will keep you square: http://www.poppyswoodtech.co.uk/tools.html

Edited January 29, 2022 by Galteemore

[KMCE]

1 hour ago, Galteemore said:

Get one of these and it will keep you square

Same one I use....

[Mike 84C]

And the same one I use! we are all in good company!  Well done young man your speed of construction is much faster than mine!

[murrayec]

5 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Yes I have….that’ll come back to bite me I’m sure 

If you apply epoxy resin over the superglue in places you can, that will help a lot, and then maybe there will be no back bites!!

Eoin

Edited January 29, 2022 by murrayec

[David Holman]

Was going to suggest the same thing.

Great work and turning into a fine looking model.

[Westcorkrailway]

I made good use of previous threads on assembling this kit by @Mike 84C and @Georgeconna. Without there respective threads I probably would have been unable to attempt the piece

 

because I was able to make the shell so easily, if I were to try the MGWR E class/J26 what would be the best donor 0-6-0 chassis 

 

Edited January 30, 2022 by Westcorkrailway

[Georgeconna]

On 29/1/2022 at 6:52 PM, Westcorkrailway said:

Yes I have….that’ll come back to bite me I’m sure 

Ouch.....

 

[Westcorkrailway]

22 minutes ago, Georgeconna said:

Ouch.....

 

As a native West Corkonian would say “Era lash on the primer and the paint and twill be fine”

 

Started looking at options for finishing the loco. My terrier chassis looks a bit ridiculous only being 1 foot larger the bogey wheels (in 1:1 scale) as while the bogey is perfect size, the terriers 4 foot Wheels are off by a 1.2 feet. And are not tight coupled. Some ideas for donor include Fowler 4F, Thompson L1 and some other 0-6-0t chassis like that of the Bachman billy 

Edited January 30, 2022 by Westcorkrailway

[David Holman]

With the body working out well, it would be a shame to get the chassis so out of proportion. If the wheelbase for the bogie is right, can you substitute correct sized wheels? Romford or Alan Gibson will no doubt have the right size, though guess the real problem will be axle diameter. At least the bogie wheels don't need quartering.

 Does the kit not come with a chassis? Probably the most daunting aspect of loco building, but also the most satisfying because once you've got over that hurdle your options immediately become wider for everything else. Easy for me to say, having built dozens, but at least it is a simple 0-6-0. 

 Alternatively, if the wheel spacing is right, can you substitute larger drivers? Gibson ones don't need quartering, so might be an option of the chassis can take their 1/8" diameter axles.

 Most of all though, I just applaud you for having a go at something that isn't straight out of the box ( however good these are) and expanding your modelling skills along the way. Wish my first loco body kit looked as good, so all power to your efforts!

[Westcorkrailway]

More deveopment of the bandon tank shell, gone is the brass (which looked great to be fair) and in with with Satin black. From my photographs, it’s a perfect colour for CIE’s glossy black which very few engines wore but 464 was one of them (my profile picture on this forum as it stands is the livery I’m shooting for) but of course, these locos wore GSR grey and 3 variants of green 

 

9 hours ago, David Holman said:

With the body working out well, it would be a shame to get the chassis so out of proportion. If the wheelbase for the bogie is right, can you substitute correct sized wheels? Romford or Alan Gibson will no doubt have the right size, though guess the real problem will be axle diameter. At least the bogie wheels don't need quartering.

 Does the kit not come with a chassis? Probably the most daunting aspect of loco building, but also the most satisfying because once you've got over that hurdle your options immediately become wider for everything else. Easy for me to say, having built dozens, but at least it is a simple 0-6-0. 

 Alternatively, if the wheel spacing is right, can you substitute larger drivers? Gibson ones don't need quartering, so might be an option of the chassis can take their 1/8" diameter axles.

 Most of all though, I just applaud you for having a go at something that isn't straight out of the box ( however good these are) and expanding your modelling skills along the way. Wish my first loco body kit looked as good, so all power to your efforts!

I’m sure it all makes sense to just use the provided chassis and try to clue that together, which I might do for the craic, however it’s import to point out that if I didn’t have the factualits for making a body (I used nail scissors, tweezers and knackered bottle of superglue) I certainly don’t have it for a peice that requires such attention as a chassis, I’ll reiterate that my Fellow young west cork modeller had a full workshop of tools, solder and even the poppys workbench took, and he was unable to do the job

 

when I purchased this kit a year or 2 ago, it was always my aim to try and find a doner chassis for the loco. I hope I can still find a good one without a good bit of modification. (Hence why I don’t have wheels, or motor this loco usually comes with) even if I found a decent 0-6-0, 2-6-2, 4-6-2 or 2-6-4 loco, any of those could be within reasonable modification for this loco

 

 

[jhb171achill]

1 minute ago, Westcorkrailway said:

More deveopment of the bandon tank shell, gone is the brass (which looked great to be fair) and in with with Satin black. From my photographs, it’s a perfect colour for CIE’s glossy black which very few engines wore but 464 was one of them (my profile picture on this forum as it stands is the livery I’m shooting for) but of course, these locos wore GSR grey and 3 variants of green 

 

I’m sure it all makes sense to just use the provided chassis and try to clue that together, which I might do for the craic, however it’s import to point out that if I didn’t have the factualits for making a body (I used nail scissors, tweezers and knackered bottle of superglue) I certainly don’t have it for a peice that requires such attention as a chassis, I’ll reiterate that my Fellow young west cork modeller had a full workshop of tools, solder and even the poppys workbench took, and he was unable to do the job

 

when I purchased this kit a year or 2 ago, it was always my aim to try and find a doner chassis for the loco. I hope I can still find a good one without a good bit of modification. (Hence why I don’t have wheels, or motor this loco usually comes with) even if I found a decent 0-6-0, 2-6-2, 4-6-2 or 2-6-4 loco, any of those could be within reasonable modification for this loco

 

 

464 is perfect for you, Westcork, as it's the only one which got black!

Excellent build job.

Interesting you mentioned the three green liveries - initially the CBSCR, then one of the class (I think just the one) got the CIE green in the fifties. Dunno if you like that livery, but a CIE green one would look nice, though I'm not sure where you'd get the correct light green numerals.

[Westcorkrailway]

3 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

464 is perfect for you, Westcork, as it's the only one which got black!

Excellent build job.

Interesting you mentioned the three green liveries - initially the CBSCR, then one of the class (I think just the one) got the CIE green in the fifties. Dunno if you like that livery, but a CIE green one would look nice, though I'm not sure where you'd get the correct light green numerals.

I have no clue what the Green Bandon would have looked like, presuming it would be something like the one in the thread posted above, maybe minus the pale yellow transfers (I think your right in one, maybe 2 Bandon’s got CIE green) 

 

there is a 3d printed model there for experimentations so you never know, it may wear that CIE green 466 wore briefly while doing suburban services 

[jhb171achill]

4 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I have no clue what the Green Bandon would have looked like, presuming it would be something like the one in the thread posted above, maybe minus the pale yellow transfers (I think your right in one, maybe 2 Bandon’s got CIE green) 

 

there is a 3d printed model there for experimentations so you never know, it may wear that CIE green 466 wore briefly while doing suburban services 

The green shade used by the CBSCR initially is not known, but by 1925 when the dreaded grey paint enveloped everything, the livery used on both coaches and locomotives was supposed to have been similar to one of the shades used by the English SR - and consequently unlike anything used elsewhere in Ireland. Then, of course, CIE green which was lined black and white.

Beware of Alphagrafix liveries - most are incorrect, some seriously so!

I don't think it was 466 which went to the Big Smoke, though I do have a note somewhere of which one it was. That model appears to have a yellow number - on the green livery it should be light green, with yellow numbers only on the grey or black liveries.

[Westcorkrailway]

34 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

The green shade used by the CBSCR initially is not known, but by 1925 when the dreaded grey paint enveloped everything, the livery used on both coaches and locomotives was supposed to have been similar to one of the shades used by the English SR - and consequently unlike anything used elsewhere in Ireland. Then, of course, CIE green which was lined black and white.

Beware of Alphagrafix liveries - most are incorrect, some seriously so!

I don't think it was 466 which went to the Big Smoke, though I do have a note somewhere of which one it was. That model appears to have a yellow number - on the green livery it should be light green, with yellow numbers only on the grey or black liveries.

466, 469 And 470 (the latter was only there for a year) went up to dublin. 466 wore CIE green from 1948. Although 467 may also have worn green…

 

Another option would be to role it out in what 00 Works perceived as the CBSC livery. 
 

I beleive this is another approximation of what some believe the CBSC to be like. The white lining on some coaches made it easier to identify some old kinsale branch photos I came across
 

[jhb171achill]

18 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

466, 469 And 470 (the latter was only there for a year) went up to dublin. 466 wore CIE green from 1948. Although 467 may also have worn green…

 

Another option would be to role it out in what 00 Works perceived as the CBSC livery. 
 

I believe this is another approximation of what some believe the CBSC to be like. The white lining on some coaches made it easier to identify some old kinsale branch photos I came across
 

What appears in that pic is very much in line with what my own impression is, from snippets I've picked up over the years. The challenge, of course, is scratchbuilding models of their very unique coaches! While I do not have definitive details - they haven't survived according to Ernie Shepherd - I do know that at various stages before 1925, CBSCR passenger stock was all-green, and other times green with cream or white upper panels.

And yes, 467 was what I was thinking for CIE green!

[Westcorkrailway]

 

464 is numbered and ready to go….or at least the top half of it is…..at least I can build half a loco!

overall a huge difference between my converted Adams radial and bandon tank older brother no.479. 

right now she sits on a tri-ang wagon awaiting that sweet sweet chassis….I know Fowler 4F has been suggested In the past, but if anyone has any suggestions for what I can put underneath this loco, it would be greatly apericiated…..I don’t think 464 likes being a 4-4-0T too much