Glenderg Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Hey lads, Just thought I'd post a few pics of something I've been working on, prototyping as I go, as there's a few of these to be made. No prizes for guessing where it is, or who it's for..... 1st Prototype - the basic idea works.... 2nd Prototype.. an arcade of 4 bays, Quote
Glenderg Posted April 23, 2012 Author Posted April 23, 2012 Nice one, only two sheets... A fair bit of twist has been introduced with the size increasing so further tweaking required.. Much tweaking later, and its colouring in time! and it's swelled to three sheets. Cutting out carefully.. Damned vandals. Quote
Glenderg Posted April 23, 2012 Author Posted April 23, 2012 The external leaf was a bit wobbly, and the whole thing started to twist, so tabs removed and mounting board put in to firm the whole lot up. The external and internal faces assembled... What the internal face will look like, with pillars added to support the roof trusses.. The complete external bay. Only another three of these to be built [bosk, have I that right? lol] and the first prototype of the front elevation to get an idea of scale...More shots later in the week. Richie. Quote
scahalane Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Great stuff there Richie, keep us updated. Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Richie great work would you consider doing the building as a kit for some of us Quote
RedRich Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 I only passed it a few weeks ago Richie, looks great. Rich, Quote
Glenderg Posted April 23, 2012 Author Posted April 23, 2012 Richie great work would you consider doing the building as a kit for some of us I certainly can, but its a big sucker! I'm still tweaking the sheets to make each part fit perfectly, and then I suppose I'll have to make up instructions... Yikes! Then there's the roofing..(worry about that later.) Tell you what Anthony, later on I'll upload the main sheet with some written instructions, and maybe get some feedback so it suits whoever wants a go? You'll need between 180 and 230 gsm card, steady hand and some patience! @Scahalane & RedRich - thank you sirs! 1 Quote
Weshty Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Weak at the knees....superb job. Alphagraphics mark II. Love the windows bricked up with cement blocks. Quote
Guest hidden-agenda Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 looks brilliant so far well done. Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 (edited) I certainly can, but its a big sucker! I'm still tweaking the sheets to make each part fit perfectly, and then I suppose I'll have to make up instructions... Yikes! Then there's the roofing..(worry about that later.) Tell you what Anthony, later on I'll upload the main sheet with some written instructions, and maybe get some feedback so it suits whoever wants a go? You'll need between 180 and 230 gsm card, steady hand and some patience! @Scahalane & RedRich - thank you sirs! Your best bet would be to get in contact with Warbonnet (Fran) I would say he would be your man for helping you write out instructions. I know he offered Weshty help with instructions. BTW 180/230 gsm card what is this and where can we get it. As soon as you get all sorted let me know I'll definitely take one of you Richie. Any other buildings in the pipe line that might be of interest to those of us building a layout. Edited April 23, 2012 by Anthony Quote
Broithe Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Your best bet would be to get in contact with Warbonnet (Fran) I would say he would be your man for helping you write out instructions. I know he offered Weshty help with instructions. BTW 180/230 gsm card what is this and where can we get it. As soon as you get all sorted let me know I'll definitely take one of you Richie. Any other buildings in the pipe line that might be of interest to those of us building a layout.gsm = grams per square metre - an indication of the thickness/stiffness of the card. Available from art shops and the like. Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 gsm = grams per square metre - an indication of the thickness/stiffness of the card. Available from art shops and the like. Thanks for that mate Quote
Mayner Posted April 23, 2012 Posted April 23, 2012 Amazing looks the way to go for large buildings. I wonder if laser or some other form of computerised cutting possible for cutting out the windows or engraving detail? John Quote
djkonore Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Fantastic detail, what a great resource for Irish kit buildings you are.... Quote
Glenderg Posted April 24, 2012 Author Posted April 24, 2012 (edited) I spent 5 hours looking at Scandinavian flat pack in IKEA, got thirsty, and spent a few further hours re-hydrating with Uncle Arthur's Restorative Tonic. I'll tweak the sheets and upload tomorrow if that's ok. Your best bet would be to get in contact with Warbonnet (Fran) I would say he would be your man for helping you write out instructions I'm thinking of full 3D instructions, rather than text, a bit like the Airfix effort long go. Part 01 meets Part 63, here's how -> etc... BTW 180/230 gsm card what is this and where can we get it. I apologise for the confusion, I should have explained. Good card is available from Eason's Nationwide, Read's Dublin, WHSmith Belfast, and most good art shops, and the camera shop who's name I can't recall [Jessops?] in the Quays in Newry [it was there for £11.20 last week] , though don't pay 50 cent a sheet. It's likely there's a pack available for around a fiver for about 50 sheets. If not on the shelves, ask them, they'll get it in no bother. As soon as you get all sorted let me know I'll definitely take one of you Richie. Certainly sir, I've seen your mucky work, and would be happy to supply, grizzly roofing and all. Any other buildings in the pipe line that might be of interest to those of us building a layout. Yes, but I'm gonna take it slow - Categories of buildings that are already complete - kit wise... [some will involve resin, like water towers, and are not finished] Platform Facing Kits - All the way from Granite slabs and gravel, trackside facing and platfrom facing - 1860's - to current concrete pads with visually impaired bump textures, along with "Fan Taobh [Thiar Den] Line Seo", yellow line imprinted upon - All weathered - enough in a kit to do an 8 rake MK3 carriage and Loco, twice. Signage - Everything from the finger pointing of the 20's "Way Out" to whatever CIE are up to at the moment - Custom Names included - more than likely gonna give this away free Railway Station Buildings - Currently Middleton Station in Cork, Laytown and Malahide in Dublin Railway Waiting Rooms - Currently Westport and Malahide Signal Boxes - Clonsilla - Limerick Check - Carrick-on-Shannon - Longford - Foynes Goods Sheds - Attymon - Enfield - Skerries - Bruree/Croom Water Towers - Dunboyne Road Bridges - Resin more than likely. Foot Bridges- Need to talk to Weshty bout this one... lol Engine Sheds - Enniskillen - Connolly - Westport - Gort Station Master's Houses - Maynooth - Howth Junction Lineside Infrastructure - Freebee Friday - small stuff that can be printed out - will be a monthly thing to encourage young lads Other Buildings - Pubs, post offices, small railway houses, small agricultural holdings, all vintage - Five so far all finished Buildings I don't like - Modern Shite - Footbridges and Fancy Modren Railway Stations, lol!, happy to do, have the drawings, and if people want it... Any of the small buildings will potentially cost the price of a pint [Printing] and a bag of peanuts[Postage], the larger buildings a bit more. However, each are available in pristine condition, slightly worn, or tattered [god bless CIE & Anto], with or without custom signage or graffiti. What'smore, I'll upload the drawings of the buildings, as I go, to http://irishrailmodels.com/, such that anyone can have a crack at scratchbuilding, and if anyone wants drawings of a building, I'll happily oblige, information pertaining, and a few bob forthcoming. I'm kinda passionate about these buildings that have fallen to rack and ruin, and if I can help in any way restore them, even in 1:76.2/00, then I'm happy! P.S. I've no intention of interfering with/upsetting the current excellent manufacturers on the site, but if mutual collaborations are possible, let the dog see the rabbit. Rebuilding the lost Iarnrod Eireannach, albeit to scale! Richie. Edited April 24, 2012 by Glenderg 1 Quote
Glenderg Posted April 24, 2012 Author Posted April 24, 2012 @ John Mayner I've looked into laser cutting but unfortunately neither the cost nor the technology suit this kind of niche. €5000 min for a laser cutting machine, and you're kind of restricted with the media you use.... If I can get enough out of this for a super high resolution printer, I can worry bout maybe getting custom dies cut for chopping out sash windows! Quote
Garfield Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 - Categories of buildings that are already complete - kit wise... [some will involve resin, like water towers, and are not finished] Platform Facing Kits - All the way from Granite slabs and gravel, trackside facing and platfrom facing - 1860's - to current concrete pads with visually impaired bump textures, along with "Fan Taobh [Thiar Den] Line Seo", yellow line imprinted upon - All weathered - enough in a kit to do an 8 rake MK3 carriage and Loco, twice. Signage - Everything from the finger pointing of the 20's "Way Out" to whatever CIE are up to at the moment - Custom Names included - more than likely gonna give this away free Railway Station Buildings - Currently Middleton Station in Cork, Laytown and Malahide in Dublin Railway Waiting Rooms - Currently Westport and Malahide Signal Boxes - Clonsilla - Limerick Check - Carrick-on-Shannon - Longford - Foynes Goods Sheds - Attymon - Enfield - Skerries - Bruree/Croom Water Towers - Dunboyne Road Bridges - Resin more than likely. Foot Bridges- Need to talk to Weshty bout this one... lol Engine Sheds - Enniskillen - Connolly - Westport - Gort Station Master's Houses - Maynooth - Howth Junction Lineside Infrastructure - Freebee Friday - small stuff that can be printed out - will be a monthly thing to encourage young lads Other Buildings - Pubs, post offices, small railway houses, small agricultural holdings, all vintage - Five so far all finished Absolutely remarkable work! I'm delighted to see a number of buildings on your list with an MGWR heritage... they're right up my street (some of them almost literally)! You just need a station building and water tower to complete the set. Quote
Weshty Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 @ John Mayner I've looked into laser cutting but unfortunately neither the cost nor the technology suit this kind of niche. €5000 min for a laser cutting machine, and you're kind of restricted with the media you use.... If I can get enough out of this for a super high resolution printer, I can worry bout maybe getting custom dies cut for chopping out sash windows! Richie, Brass would be a good option for the sash windows, something I have done already and would be interested in developing or supplementing your (AWESOME) kits. Regarding the bridges, what do you have in mind? I have done preliminary work on a standard cut limestone roadbridge as well as a girder bridge (brass and resin combo). Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted April 24, 2012 Posted April 24, 2012 Malahide Station looks the dogs smelly bits Richie I need one urgently! Planing on doing a small Irish station when I revamp the layout Worked in Mala Mala for 30 years so I reckon it would be a great station to model Would you have a go at the signal box as well? I see Dublin 1 as your location Would love to drop over sometime and check out your bits, as the priest said to the alter boy................. Quote
Glenderg Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 Apologies for the delay in responding lads. I inhaled a bit too much spray mount glue, did something to the lungs so was out of action for a few days. Today's glorious weather gave me a chance to get back to things, and hoke out the respirator.... @Garfield - thanks indeed, I spent a lot of time up wesht in the last two years, and love the buildings. Was thinking Edgeworthstown for a station, but it's waaaay down on the list. Thankfully I've loads of good photos as a result of IE's 10 minute pit stop on the return to Dublin! @Weshty - Brass etched sash windows would be lovely, but they'd put the price of any kit out of my ideal price range. Regarding the bridges, MGWR again. The footbridges have immaculate detailing that I think only brass etching can bring out, and I've done a detailed set of drawings of the one in Carrick-on-Shannon. I'll PM you during the week if that's ok? @Wrenneire - Your reply brought the biggest grin to me puss, you wouldn't believe! I did all the kit artwork for Malahide, and started on the prototype, [the one I posted] the external hard drive I had all the drawings etc. on died, so I would have to redo the whole thing to bring it to kit form again. Not something I relish after putting about 100 hours into it! MY own fault I suppose.... You're welcome to the one I have when I finish it, though it is only a prototype, and but there are no internal rooms, and it looks a bit "empty" if you know what I mean. The signal box in Malahide has moved [?] or has the platform extended. Would you want the old version - freestanding, or the platform version? I did the drawings for the waiting room too, wouldn't take much to get into a kit. As far as calling up to have a look, that'll have to wait. I've exams all next month, and the wife would not be best pleased, but you'd more than welcome to pop over at the end of may to have a look at me bits. I'd have to dust em off first..... Meanwhile, I copied scahalane's most brilliant idea for making corrugated iron, and have about 200 scale sheets of it for Connolly Shed. Only another 200 to go, but I've come up with a cunning plan to make light work of that. More on that when the roof starts to go on. I've made the trusses to suit the model, not the real thing, as the roof was gutted years ago and new steel frame put in, along with ventilation and modern cranes, not to mention being altered from being a 4 road shed with brick arched entrance to three road with concrete lintels and steel shutters. I plan to put the old 4 road brick arched elevation on at the end with bricked up arches, so that there's a choice to use either option. It's identical to the shed at dundalk works, so could be used to represent a whole bunch of eras. You won't get to see much of them anyway;) The real building is twice this length, plus a bit more for the water towers at the northern end, but this is more than enough for a model! The joint will be hidden with some downpipes. Another 5 trusses to be added to get her ready for roofing, and mushroom ventilators. Thought I'd show a comparison of it to one of the smallest buildings on the IE network, the signal box at foynes. 'Pologies bout the bone, we can all fantasize! Regards, Richie. Quote
Garfield Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 @Garfield - thanks indeed, I spent a lot of time up wesht in the last two years, and love the buildings. Was thinking Edgeworthstown for a station, but it's waaaay down on the list. Thankfully I've loads of good photos as a result of IE's 10 minute pit stop on the return to Dublin! Ah, yes - the Edgeworthstown 'cigarette break'... I've spent a long time sitting there because of that! The station building there is a good choice, as it's a typical example of the design used along the Sligo line. Quote
Mayner Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 A MGWR Sligo Road station either one of the larger like Mostrim or the simpller style like Collonney, would be a no brainer as there are buildings to the same general design on the Wexfor Line and at Nenagh. I have experimented with fold up etched brass window surrounds for use with Wills Material sheets. Cutting out the door or window opening is less critical as the surround can be folded to form the window or door reveal. I had started out using Wills Sheets, but I am looking at an alternative for larger buildings like factories, warehouses and blocks of flats tenement houses for an inner city scene. How does the actual cost of printing compare with using embossed card or plasticard? John Quote
heirflick Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 hi glenderg, just like the lads, im gobsmacked at the detail of your work....the realism is just stunning! you did mention on the old site about the printing, but i had no idea it would be so good! connolly shed is looking the good. are you restricted to the size ofany building or is the sky the limit? what is the largest you have attempted? ( somthing brewing in my head...i hate when this happens!) btw, nice job on the 58! Quote
Guest hidden-agenda Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Stunning work and excellent results well done its great to see this taking shape. Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Loving this thread Glenderg, keep up the good work Have you down for a home visit, late May What kind of buns do you like? And before you answer remember minors have access to it:o Quote
Glenderg Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 @ Anthony and Hidden Agenda - Thank you sirs. @ Wrenneire - Double entendres everywhere, beginning to sound a bit like Carry on up the Siding! @HeirFlick - There's really no restriction, but the bigger a kit building gets the more that the end user has to add their own reinforcement to ensure it remains as square and solid as possible. For instance, Athlone is an enormous building, but there's enough "modules" in it to break it up into smaller manageable units. Same goes for portlaoise, portarlington etc. The more difficult would be some of the larger goods sheds - like Croom, Co. Limerick. It works out at a scale 156mm x 603 mm and it would not be easy to hide the joint between the three sheets. It would also need a lot of client side reinforcing, and if there were to be a visible/used interior, well then it becomes a real headscratcher. Nonetheless, it's a stunning building, and I'll tackle it sometime. The largest I have completed, but as a straightforward model, is a cathedral scale 1:100, all internal arches colums stained glass etc. Big is beautiful! @ Mayner - I'm not sure of the costs of Wills' sheets, but I know to tackle a large building would require a lot of plastic, and I love the idea of using brass to form window surrounds and reveals, the only down side being that it has to be painted to look right. The costs for me are minor, it's time that it takes to get things right. For instance, I did a quick sketch of Collooney window, and put it together roughly, which all took under an hour. As you can see, the windows would be better drawn onto clear plastic, and the ope is a too small to accept the sash of the window, but the depth of the brick surround looks right. All part of the prototyping process, but once it's done it can be coloured in and copied multiple in no time. Bigger buildings are easier and the deeper the window, the more realistic a card building looks. 'Elf n Safety man not happy... Regards, Richie. Quote
heirflick Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 thanks for the reply rich and be assured i will break your heart with a request shortly! any chance of a pic of the cathedral ? Quote
Garfield Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Richie, that has to be St. Mel's Cathedral in Longford! Or at least how it used to look before the fire... Quote
Glenderg Posted April 30, 2012 Author Posted April 30, 2012 Bang on Garfield. I partly guessed you'd pick it up! Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I'm just gob smacked looking at your work Quote
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