GSR 800 Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Anyone heard of this?http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-trawler-dragged-by-suspected-submarine-1.2178382
Dunluce Castle Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Seen it on the news a couple of times, very interesting....
burnthebox Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 There is yet to be a case of a Submarine surfacing to report it had dragged a fishing boat & crew to their grave, thankfully in this incident all of the crew on board the fishing boat survived.
hurricanemk1c Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Sinn Féin Northern Ireland Assembly member Chris Hazzard said the community was angry. “The fact that this submarine didn’t even surface to make sure the fishermen were safe has caused considerable resentment in the area. It is totally unacceptable that a submarine would show such contempt for maritime workers. But would the sub even know it had caught a trawler?
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 But would the sub even know it had caught a trawler? It is very unlikely that they would not be well aware.
Garfield Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 It is very unlikely that they would not be well aware. That depends... The skipper said the boat had been snagged and dragged backwards at speed. If the submarine was moving as fast as that quote suggests, then it's likely the passive sonar would be rendered useless by the sound of water rushing over the hull.
DiveController Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 That depends... If the submarine was moving as fast as that quote suggests, then it's likely the passive sonar would be rendered useless by the sound of water rushing over the hull. When you're happily fishing and your boat suddenly changes direction any speed feels like a fast speed. The speed is not estimated in the article. Fortunately the Irish Sea is not that deep only a few hundred feet in most places. It looks like the sub was operating in the deeper channel on the west side which is still only about 400ft in that area. Hence he downward vector maybe a little less. If this was a Russian sub interested in NATO exercises it would have been running at tactical speed, (say) about 25 knots to avoid shallow water detection and it passive sonar array should be optimized to that speed. The array on the tower is usually a 360 array. If they detected a constant bearing/range surface sound, it more likely than not they'd bother to do anything about it. Unlikely to pop up and wave to satellite, I think. Lucky lads! I'm glad.
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 They may not have been aware of the boat before they collided with it - but they will have been aware of the collision with the fishing gear and the subsequent force on their vessel from the drag.
Garfield Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 When you're happily fishing and your boat suddenly changes direction any speed feels like a fast speed. The speed is not estimated in the article. Of course. That's why I started the sentence with 'if'... They may not have been aware of the boat before they collided with it - but they will have been aware of the collision with the fishing gear and the subsequent force on their vessel from the drag. Good point, Broithe.
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 US-Sub ????? Likelihood would be UK - US - Russian - French - in that descending order, I would think. But, nobody will admit it was theirs, unless they are caught red handed. Standard practice now is to say nothing. In the past, people have denied it was theirs, then identifying parts have been found in the retrieved fishing gear. Doesn't have to be from a nuclear state, of course, plenty of diesel-electrics out there, too.
minister_for_hardship Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Interesting that some news sites jumped to the conclusion that the unseen sub belonged to the naughty Russians.
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Interesting that some news sites jumped to the conclusion that the unseen sub belonged to the naughty Russians. That's all part of the 'game'. Most of the identified collisions locally have been with UK subs, I'm not aware of a Russian ever being shown to be involved in one of these trawler drags, but a lot remain unidentified, of course. UK subs often collide with Scotland, such as the unfortunately named HMS Astute - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Astute_%28S119%29#Aground_on_Skye - and even with a French submarine - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7892294.stm .
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 1982. An initial denial, before a subsequent identification.
WRENNEIRE Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I bet you it was that Connery fella disobeying orders again in his Red October yoke
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I bet you it was that Connery fella disobeying orders again in his Red October yoke Does the Garda Sub-Aqua Unit have a speed gun?
Garfield Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 I bet you it was that Connery fella disobeying orders again in his Red October yoke Ah, Marco Ramius... the Rushin shubmarine captain wish the Shcottish achshent.
WRENNEIRE Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Its DC Broite They are waiting on a DCC chip from the Model Shop, Belfast
WRENNEIRE Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Ah, Marco Ramius... the Rushin shubmarine captain wish the Shcottish achshent. I thought you were deaf?
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 Ah, Marco Ramius... the Rushin shubmarine captain wish the Shcottish achshent. My party-piece is my Sean Connery impression. You are a *****... . ...for shore eyesh. Crikey - I've been auto-censored - you'll have to work it out for yourselves.
Garfield Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 My party-piece is my Sean Connery impression. You are a *****... . ...for shore eyesh. Crikey - I've been auto-censored - you'll have to work it out for yourselves. Rhymes with 'height'?
Broithe Posted April 17, 2015 Posted April 17, 2015 There is yet to be a case of a Submarine surfacing to report it had dragged a fishing boat & crew to their grave, thankfully in this incident all of the crew on board the fishing boat survived. The act of surfacing and the collision can be the same thing - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision .
GSR 800 Posted April 17, 2015 Author Posted April 17, 2015 a Sub would have probably have known the boat or something large was tangled in it as the extra weight would slow the sub down.
Broithe Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 The side/up force seems likely to be fairly obvious immediately. On another site, probably as a result of this discussion, I have just received a pop-up banner advert... "If you can fix this - (picture of bicycle) - then you can fix this - (picture of submarine)" - clicking this banner leads to this - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/engineers . I do hope that they have a rather more rigorous supplementary selection procedure. It does bring to mind a picture of all the lads pedalling like mad to get the sub going....
Noel Posted April 18, 2015 Posted April 18, 2015 Subs from EU nations are well aware of the safety protocols and procedures when operating in these waters and the risks associated with traffic conflict. There are extensive sops and checklists prior to surfacing and during ops near fishing targets. Just like aviation accidents things sometimes go wrong. I'd hazard a wild guess that the alleged sub was not from an EU country.
DiveController Posted April 19, 2015 Posted April 19, 2015 The side/up force seems likely to be fairly obvious immediately. On another site, probably as a result of this discussion, I have just received a pop-up banner advert... "If you can fix this - (picture of bicycle) - then you can fix this - (picture of submarine)" - clicking this banner leads to this - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/engineers . I do hope that they have a rather more rigorous supplementary selection procedure. It does bring to mind a picture of all the lads pedalling like mad to get the sub going.... Or the sub in dry dock, jacked up to change a flat……….. (caterpillar drive, of course)
Broithe Posted April 20, 2015 Posted April 20, 2015 It does bring to mind a picture of all the lads pedalling like mad to get the sub going.... Today's Google Doodle is a pedal powered submarine - this data-mining is getting out-of-hand.
minister_for_hardship Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 The side/up force seems likely to be fairly obvious immediately. On another site, probably as a result of this discussion, I have just received a pop-up banner advert... "If you can fix this - (picture of bicycle) - then you can fix this - (picture of submarine)" - clicking this banner leads to this - https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/engineers . I do hope that they have a rather more rigorous supplementary selection procedure. It does bring to mind a picture of all the lads pedalling like mad to get the sub going.... The RN are operating an updated version of this?
Broithe Posted April 21, 2015 Posted April 21, 2015 Very eco-friendly, Minister. This, in an animated form, is the Google Doodle for today, that I referred to above.
Broithe Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Well, it was an RN sub after all - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34177386 .
jhb171achill Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Wonder what would happen if a Wexford, Annagassan or Kilkeel trawler dragged a British or Russian submarine for miles and wrecked all its equipment......
jhb171achill Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 The RN are operating an updated version of this? So, is this a steam powered submarine? I believe the fireman's job became particularly difficult under water....
minister_for_hardship Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 So, is this a steam powered submarine? I believe the fireman's job became particularly difficult under water.... No it's the hand cranked (and ill fated) US Civil War CSS Hunley. The RN DID have steam subs, with a pretty awful service history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_K_class_submarine
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