Remotoring A Lima Pancake

[roxyguy]

Hi All,

 

Just bought a kit for ten euros on the bay to remotor the old lima pancake, looks like a very simple conversion that someone like me could handle.

 

Anybody ever do this before? Want to remotor my Irish class 33's.

 

[Dave]

Where did you get them from, I have two Lima class 55's that I want to overhaul.

[WRENNEIRE]

Be careful, I re motored a 201 with one of these motors and it ran very hot after a few minutes

I was told they were from cameras, and were not supposed to be used at any speed for a long time

[Glenderg]

I got a few from Modeltorque a few years ago, and noticed no improvement on running ability at all. As far as I know the motor itself is identical to the ones in DVD/CD drives but as Dave rightly says, they're designed for short burst operation, rather than continuous use.

 

A quick google using the terms "modeltorque dvd drive" should inform further.

[murrayec]

 

Anybody ever do this before? Want to remotor my Irish class 33's.

 

 

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/77-Graham-s-Workbench?p=51957&viewfull=1#post51957

[roxyguy]

Hi all, thanks for the great feedback, I knew it was CD player motor but didn't think it might overheat so thanks for the heads up! The listen is now gone from ebay - although it was an Irish seller. Still for 10euros I'll give it a go!

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111881825190?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Noel]

I though a CD or DVD motor would normally be run for a long time at a constant speed but very low loading.

[Glenderg]

It's used for opening and closing the drawer, not spinning the disc.

[Broithe]

It's used for opening and closing the drawer, not spinning the disc.

 

"Spinning the disc" sounds so Olde Worlde now....

[roxyguy]

I think we need the spinmaster

 

[jhb171achill]

Superb!

 

Dealing with people on a daily basis from the U S and A, yes, that's what they're like. Very nice people, not at all like stereotypes (but then, nor are we), but a very, very different sense of humour to us..... Their sense of humour is simplistic, cautious and conservative for the most part. And greatly tempered with their obsession with the "PC" culture of ensuring you don't offend anyone, no matter how wacko their ideas and sensitivities, before you get out of bed in the morning.....

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

I've used Modeltorque on a few of my Limas. I've had no issues running them on DCC

[RobertRoche]

I have used one branded as Susumotor in my Lima 33. It seems to work well, but didn't improve running. The chassis is still shaky and probably no better than a cleaned up pancake. Give it a go, it's pretty easy to do.

[Noel]

I have used one branded as Susumotor in my Lima 33. It seems to work well, but didn't improve running. The chassis is still shaky and probably no better than a cleaned up pancake. Give it a go, it's pretty easy to do.

 

Both my 33s run like insane rockets, they are just useless at slow crawl speeds. Toys designed for the 70s to go roundy roundy at high speed and make little boys faint with excitement.

 

[roxyguy]

Yes indeed, my class 33's run like that too and wobble also!

[Noel]

Yes indeed, my class 33's run like that too and wobble also!

 

Yip one of mine wobbles too but the other doesn't. Mine are 'dog' rough runners and impossible to operate at prototypical manoeuvring speeds. They be great if they were for scalextric

[roxyguy]

Rather than use on my irish class 33's. I've bought a cheap 'non runner' BR one for 12quid on the bay. Gonna re-motor with the kit and spray it silver and decal it as a faux - A class, early livery.

Just a cheap, simple little project to match my skill set. Will post some pictures. Thanks for all the feedback.

[jhb171achill]

Rather than use on my irish class 33's. I've bought a cheap 'non runner' BR one for 12quid on the bay. Gonna re-motor with the kit and spray it silver and decal it as a faux - A class, early livery.

Just a cheap, simple little project to match my skill set. Will post some pictures. Thanks for all the feedback.

 

That's a very neat idea!

[irishthump]

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/77-Graham-s-Workbench?p=51957&viewfull=1#post51957

 

You beat me to it!

 

Yes, that HST used a motoer form a cd drive. I gave it a good run after installation and never noticed the motor overheating to any degree.....

[grandad]

Have you tried http://www.diesel-trains.co.uk/Lima_replacement_motor_kits.html? I haven't used them, but found the site when I thought that I may need to get a replacement in the future.

[roxyguy]

I've seen those guys, but twith sterling and postage its not that cheap. The one I bought was 10euros including postage. However if it works out I'd be tempted to their motor for the old lima 201, so we'll see.

[Garfield]

Have you tried http://www.diesel-trains.co.uk/Lima_replacement_motor_kits.html? I haven't used them, but found the site when I thought that I may need to get a replacement in the future.

 

Looks similar to the Susu motors mentioned earlier in the thread...

 

PS: Welcome aboard, Grandad!

[Andy Cundick]

It might be worth bearing in mind that High Level do replacement motor bogies for Lima both 8 and 10 foot,they only take an evening to knock up and the running is infinitely better and just as easy to build to 21mm gauge.Andy.

[grandad]

Glad you mentioned High Level Kits. Yes, their motor bogies are great. I have used 2 so far, one to remotor a Triang Blue Pullman and one for a tender drive for a Crampton model. Their gearboxes are good as well.

[grandad]

PS, thank you Garfields Ghost for your welcome.

[roxyguy]

Interesting video about getting the most out of a pancake. Long, but interesting. I repeated this process with my class 33 'non runner' and was really surprised by how nicely it ran. I'll still remotor it with the kit though to see how much of an improvement it could make.

[Noel]

The video clip reminded me of "Bob" from the fast show

[roxyguy]

The video clip reminded me of "Bob" from the fast show

 

Brilliant, had forgotten about Bob Fleming! Haha. But yes it has a certain fastshow feel to it.

[Noel]

Brilliant, had forgotten about Bob Fleming! Haha. But yes it has a certain fastshow feel to it.

 

Yip It takes courage to sit on two chairs in front of a camera and make a video like that!

[roxyguy]

New motor fitted, body sprayed to look look faux A class, early livery. Bit of soldering now. Nice rainy day activity.

[roxyguy]

Running with new motor. Runs lovely and smooth at 25% power +, which is probably a bit too quick for a small layout like mine. A lot quieter and less smelly than a pancake. Smooth crawl still not possible. Overall for a ten euro fix I am very pleased.

[Dave]

Running with new motor. Runs lovely and smooth at 25% power +, which is probably a bit too quick for a small layout like mine. A lot quieter and less smelly than a pancake. Smooth crawl still not possible. Overall for a ten euro fix I am very pleased.

 

Have you got a video

[roxyguy]

Will post a video soon . . .

[BosKonay]

Have you got a video

 

+1 - definitely, I've an aging (but still pretty) Lima fleet I'd love to put back into service...

[roxyguy]

Hi all, see video. Train at speeds from 10%-20% on controller. My old limas won't even budge at anything under 50%! so this impressed me. The slow crawl at 10% isn't bad either and much, much quieter.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwPhGTwVWL8&feature=youtu.be