Ebay CIE Brown Van

[GNRi1959]

Just managed to win this on eBay at £15

Really nice to add my first to the layout from CIE

 

[jhb171achill]

Wow!

 

That's a strange one - hadn't seen that model before. What's it based on?

[GNRi1959]

Bidding ended just half an hour ago, I've no idea but there are experts here who no doubt will tell me!

[Richard EH]

Interesting. Looks like an old Hornby van repainted as a GN cement van in cie livery? Not quite right as it's an older model and has the vent in the end, but not bad either!

 

Well done!

 

Richard.

[Riversuir226]

It was part of a train set from the early 2000's, there was also an oil and coal wagon with the loco being a 0-4-0 tank.

[GNRi1959]

Thanks for that, glad I got it.

[jhb171achill]

Interesting. Looks like an old Hornby van repainted as a GN cement van in cie livery? Not quite right as it's an older model and has the vent in the end, but not bad either!

 

Well done!

 

Richard.

 

Well done indeed - a rare relic.

 

Livery wise, it bears no relation to anything that ever ran... In brown, the roof and chassis should also be brown. The CIE thing should be on the upper half, not the bottom corner. No wagon ever had lettering "CIE", let alone that size, and the numeral and mysterious "N" are not of this world either!

 

But an interesting collectors item at a bargain price!

[WRENNEIRE]

From the Hornby Irish Freight set R1020

 

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/content.php/221-Hornby-Irish-Freight

[DiveController]

I have neglected to renumber, repaint or weather mine (yet) but they would not look grossly out of place mixed in with some of Leslie's wagons either

[jhb171achill]

The line of black chassis look so odd, though.....!

[Mayner]

The Hornby model is based on the BR Vanwide pallet wagons the last design of short wheelbase BR vans. CIE had nothing remotely similar http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanwide

 

The model was originally introduce by Triang-Hornby in the 70s with working sliding doors.

[burnthebox]

Hi John & thanks for that list, do you know is there any similar / lookalike list of IRISH VANS / WAGONS available that you know of, lots of talk about the differences in Irish compaired to UK, but a few photos might help,

Thanks

BTB

[jhb171achill]

I suppose that in terms of looking for suitably accurate stock for a layout, a perusal of suppliers on here would serve well; Leslie's stuff and others represent the 1950-70 period well.

 

Any of the colour album books published in the last 15 years will show prototypes, train make ups and liveries, so a look after that at, say, the Bachmann website, will show models of British stuff which is close enough to look right when repainted in CIE style.

 

When looking at BR items, a repaint can fit in well with Irish stuff even if not 100% accurate. Even the basics of repainting black strapping and ironwork, and chassis in the body colour, will make things look instantly "Irish".

Edited March 28, 2017 by jhb171achill

[GNRi1959]

In terms of stock and building a collection, my plan is to pick up the occasional bargain and also to scratchbuild a collection of wagons that frequented the area, in my case Omagh. I am in the process of identifying and sourcing brass W-irons, axleboxes and parts to build at least one or more of every type of wagon I need. On a small shunting layout like Omagh North, long trains of wagons or passenger coaches are not possible. Therefore, I would appreciate any photographs of wagon detail, if possible from other forum members, please.

[jhb171achill]

That will look absolutely amazing, Tony.

 

The GNR vans and open wagons would be by far the majority of what would have appeared there.

[Noel]

The Hornby model is based on the BR Vanwide pallet wagons the last design of short wheelbase BR vans. CIE had nothing remotely similar http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brvanwide

 

The model was originally introduce by Triang-Hornby in the 70s with working sliding doors.

 

Like this one? It was a bit of a modelling carbuncle alright, but seemed sheer perfection when I was a young boy and nearly fainted with excitement.

 

 

47 years ago I hated the plastic white roof it came with so out came the Humbrol grey and within an hour of unboxing it on Christmas day the roof was dulled

Edited March 28, 2017 by Noel
Corrected by English Teacher Wrenneire Fr Peter the perfect priest

[jhb171achill]

I had one of those!!! And the little green luggage trolley.....

 

Yes, it must have been 47 years ago. This van was in my first ever Triang Hornby train set. An oval of setrack with a red 0.4.0, this van, a green open wagon, and a brake van!

[Irishrailwayman]

Just managed to win this on eBay at £15

Really nice to add my first to the layout from CIE

 

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Hornby released these vans as part of an "Irish Freight" train set in the early 2000's. It came with a 0-4-0 loco with Flying Snail. a yellow coal wagon and a Burmah oil wagon along with a controller/set of tracks. I have a couple running around Ballybeg for variety even though not prototypical... Better models are available now.

Edited March 28, 2017 by Irishrailwayman

[murrayec]

Hi John & thanks for that list, do you know is there any similar / lookalike list of IRISH VANS / WAGONS available that you know of, lots of talk about the differences in Irish compaired to UK, but a few photos might help,

Thanks

BTB

 

BTB

 

Get yourself a copy of 'Irish Broad Gauge Carriages' by Des Coakham, Midland Publishing. Diarmuid had a copy of at the Bray Fair on Sunday last. Its mainly passenger coaches but near the end a fair few wagons come into it

 

Eoin

[burnthebox]

Thanks Eoin, I've been looking at photos of CIE WAGONS / VANS that for me, when playing with trains they, with some painting / respraying & weathering would pass the 2 FOOT Challange..

[Noel]

Thanks Eoin, I've been looking at photos of CIE WAGONS / VANS that for me, when playing with trains they, with some painting / respraying & weathering would pass the 2 FOOT Challange..

 

Hi Paul. That's what I'm hoping to achieve with many of my early era Bachmann UK goods wagons - pseudo CIE 1950s-1970s that pass the 'duck test' after some decals, weathering and/or resprays, with some genuine scale Irish wagons in RTR and kit form added for the same era. Noel

[jhb171achill]

I'm intrigued....what's the "duck test"?

[Noel]

I'm intrigued....what's the "duck test"?

 

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."

 

Or an alternative is the "two foot" rule Both of which can be applied to model trains.

 

I find both apply quite well to most rolling stock, especially stock that has some poetic license, is not super detailed, or has some technical compromises, paint shades a bit off, but visually looks close enough to what it is mimicking to pass the "duck test" or "two foot" rule. I do appreciate and respect that for some the "duck test" is a bridge too far.

[jhb171achill]

Ah! Makes sense..... at the risk of appearing utterly imbecilic, what's the origin of the two foot rule?

[skinner75]

Like the saying 'a 20 footer' I think, but for smaller scales.

E.g.- my car is a 20 footer - meaning it looks good from 20ft away, but when you get up close you see all the faults!

[jhb171achill]

Perfect!

 

Now I'm educated....... though live frog wiring will forever fry my head.