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See Wrenneire’s post above. It was made by an English firm. No connection with Leinster Models AFAIK. In a confusing twist, the business seems to have since transformed into ACE Kits, based at that same Reigate address, who solely make O gauge kits now and I have recently seen them at various O gauge shows. Confused? I am !
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Leinster Models were O gauge
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MGWR style, Mark: the GSR wouldn't have tolerated such excess!
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MMs beaten me to it. They do have a resemblance, although the P has clearly enjoyed a high protein diet.
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It’s an E class and they got pretty much everywhere. This one, ‘Achill‘ became CIE 560 (in altered form) and was used on the Tramore line amongst others. If you have any kind of MGW layout you can justify one. May end up building one as pilot for Rosses Point....
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Great idea to build your own. He does a card kit for £4 of the same thing which might be handy to use if you have trouble sourcing a drawing. I use his card kits as coloured drawings to help me scratchbuild.
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Yes. You could probably alter the windows easily enough - did the original have flat sides or a tumblehome? Hard to tell from the model pic.
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Nice find. Alphagraphix do a kit of a Ford in 7mm....
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The ‘Leinster Models’ kits still have a fair reputation amongst O gauge modellers and have featured in the Gauge O Guild Gazette in recent years. Basic kits lacking in the detail one associates with more modern kits but an excellent basis for making a nice loco.
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No it’s the old Tralee and Dingle inspection railcar.
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Intriguing stuff - look forward to seeing the small tanks again! There’s a 1902 picture which shows a small tank with polished dome and chimney cap, which were adjuncts of the green livery - although the loco in the picture appears unlined so it’s hard to be sure about colour. The brass domes continued even in black livery until the 20s when Mr Egan had them painted over as they had simply become tarnished and had not been polished for some time...As far as I know the Sir Henry class were always black and they appeared after c1905. I’d say you could have green up to 1905 or so..... -
Yes that’s correct. Melvin only has ‘26’ in GN font front and rear buffers (the loco above is numberless and filthy hence my thought that this may be an early post-purchase test run). Lough Erne seems to have had the full York Road livery treatment towards the end - and even made it on to the NIR stock list.
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Here’s a fascinating shot from Irish Swiss Ernie’s archive. It shows one of the Loughs involved in the 1959 remodelling of GV St, still in SLNC livery. The loco has had no attention from the UTA bar the removal of the double coupling hooks. The broken cab window acquired at Enniskillen shed in the 57-59 storage is still there. https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/5736774130/in/album-72157626756740602/
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The effect of the economic war of the 30s and ‘Emergency’ frugality in part perhaps, coupled in all likelihood with a desire on the part of some old Inchicore hands to carry on the old ways. Some big island workshops like Crewe tried to carry on some of their old LNWR practices despite LMS management from Derby! Funny old thing - when the old LNW apprentice RA Riddles became CME of BR, LNWR style blackberry black was suddenly the new BR mixed traffic livery !
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Looks like a batch build of 2. Very nice!
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Had another look at Mr Egan’s talk. The arrival of the Lough class in 1951 (they were still in the yard at BP in Gorton when he was talking to the IRRS) was to set in train a rolling overhaul programme for the Large Tanks. Lough Gill was the last of these and was actually at Dundalk when the line shut. My guess is that the dates of the red plates coincide with the Dundalk overhauls.Enniskillen was apparently in the best mechanical fettle of the entire fleet at closure - suggesting a recent overhaul - and she had red plates. Sir Henry had red plates in May 57 but at time of closure had gone back to black/red, suggesting that Manorhamilton works had readjusted her livery! I also had a closer look at the BP delivery photo. The coupling rods look very pale so my initial thought was steel. Then looked again - it’s exactly the same colour as the buffer beam.....
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here you go! courtesy of the Chasewater Railway blog....https://chasewaterstuff.wordpress.com/2010/12/ I think the Model Railway Journal series on building ‘Shannon’ may assist, as the locos are of a similar size with straight framing - you might get some basic construction tips. I know Mr Holman of this parish has experience of that project. Image from Wikipedia.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wantage_Tramway#/media/File%3AShannon_%40_Didcot.jpg
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Yes, it struck me when I read it! This was in his address to the IRRS in 1951. Given his expertise, and that of his audience, I think that he must have upheld this as the ex-works house style - he would have been challenged in such a gathering if inaccurate !! The pic above at Manorhamilton shows what it could look like when fresh, and I have seen glimpses of the red rods elsewhere. A Hamilton Ellis picture also shows a ‘small tank’ thus treated. Interestingly, the No 9 journal where his talk is published, has a b-w picture which shows Lough Erne absolutely box-fresh in black and the rods are burnished steel - as are the handrails and smokebox door hinges!! The name plates are also burnished bright. Presumably Manorhamilton applied the red paint in the summer of 51 when the locos finally made it across. Doubtless the Sligo Leitrim weather, grease/oil and workshop handling wore the red paint off very quickly though. I would be interested to see if the burnished red plates coincided with an SLNC loco’s visits to Dundalk Works...
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An interesting piece JHB - thank you! I think Lough Melvin was allocated to the GN side and Lough Erne at York Road, as LE got NCC style buffer numbers whereas LM bore GN style buffer nos. The latter also seems to have retained its black/red nameplate to the end, whereas LE as you say, got the full UTA livery treatment.
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That would be great JHB, thanks. The ‘Lough Gill’ plate on display in Enniskillen has a green background which is almost certainly wrong.
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The official livery as stated by Mr Egan in 1951 was red rods and black/red numberplates. The red rods almost never show up even in colour photos. This screen grab on YouTube shows it ....But ‘Enniskillen’ seems to have had red or black plates with polished brass - as JHB says....could be a mixed bag!
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7’ across cab, Angus, if it’s same dimensions as Large Tank. Looks a circa 3 inch gap between cab side and tank edge. Good choice of Lurganboy. I think the company offices were registered there - the real place is in the middle of nowhere but I think was the property of one of the founding families. I have seen an SLNC loco with tank side lettering at Sligo with a GSR bilingual sign behind it. Late 20s /early 30s works for me as a terminal date!
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Crying out for a little bit of narrow gauge track inlaid in cobbles coming under that door!
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Bit late to the the party here but just got a new book in the post today - the 1937 ‘Locomotives of the Great Southern Railways’. According to this, the MGW-allocated moguls were on the Dublin-Mullingar-Galway route.
