Broithe Posted October 27 Posted October 27 It isn't an 'either or' situation. RTR and DIY can coexist - and feed off each other. There are lots of things that you can do for yourself, or you can opt for a provided solution. I built a car once. It was quite good and I didn't mind doing it, but it's not really a viable solution for most people who just want personal transport. They can look around and select one of the many variations that people produce and offer for sale to them. In the Irish railway world, the big issue, for me, was plausible-looking motive power. Once that appeared, rolling stock to drag behind them could be bodged up by yourself, until even better things emerged as result of the increased market the "good locos" had created. Sometimes, the market will just not support a product, however good you might think it is - and vice versa. I accidentally bought some glass saucepans in the 1980s. Really good things, with handles that reliably click on and off, making storage much more compact and meaning that they can be used in a microwave, plus a gas or electric hob, oven, even in the freezer. They were around for a couple of years, but never really caught on, despite the sheer practicality of the system. I've picked up a few extra items from the range since then - and keep expecting it to reappear, as housing becomes steadily more 'compact', but the experiment seems to have been deemed a failure, however good I think the result was. I recently found a 'forty year old brand new coat' on eBay, to supplement the one I bought new at the time, as it nears the end of its useful life. It is exactly what I want, but the market seemed to prefer things that were not quite right for me. Etc. 3 Quote
DJ Dangerous Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 hour ago, LNERW1 said: I’m going to cut this off because I don’t like starting arguments. If I may draw the honourable gentleman's attention to the following threads: https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/15489-arguments-about-abandoned-trains-sociopolitical-influences-on-railway-building-and-probably-something-else-eventually https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/15699-lnerw1-starts-arguments-episode-ii-the-thomas-menace 1 Quote
Georgeconna Posted October 27 Posted October 27 On 20/10/2024 at 10:00 PM, leslie10646 said: No, It's a Class WT. I've just ordered 1,000 Spoil Wagon kits which will be sent to the Philippines to be built in time for the iRM Christmas 2025 Boxed Set Offer - TWO Class WTs Twenty Spoil wagons as a Boxed Set, complete with oval of track and a few points and a Loading Bank so that you can have the whole Stone Train operation on your layout. Locos with sound, of course - digitally controlled from "Loud" to "Very, Very Loud" so that you can imitate the train going up the bank through Trooperslane. If it has unloading rock sound I am in. Quote
GSR 800 Posted October 27 Posted October 27 2 hours ago, LNERW1 said: I’m going to cut this off because I don’t like starting arguments. Thanks. also I’m not saying rtr stuff is shite but I’d prefer to support a dedicated modeller than a company as large as IRM/accurascale. That’s all, thank you, please don’t make this a big spat, thank you. You are entitled to your opinion and to voice it on a public forum, but said opinion becomes fair game for discussion and criticism whether you like it or not. That's how we develop ideas and critical thinking. You can choose whether you want to engage after the fact or not; again, that is entirely up to you. IRM is no corporate giant. Personally as a modeller I try to support both the likes of IRM and Murphys, that produce high quality RTR products for a tiny market that is often barely (or not at all) viable, alongside smaller producers like Des, John, Eoin and Leslie who are vital parts of our scene. As said above by Broithe, this is not an either or thing. 2 minutes ago, Georgeconna said: If it has unloading rock sound I am in. But does it come with realistic chuffing sound? 7 Quote
Georgeconna Posted October 27 Posted October 27 1 minute ago, GSR 800 said: You are entitled to your opinion and to voice it on a public forum, but said opinion becomes fair game for discussion and criticism whether you like it or not. That's how we develop ideas and critical thinking. You can choose whether you want to engage after the fact or not; again, that is entirely up to you. IRM is no corporate giant. Personally as a modeller I try to support both the likes of IRM and Murphys, that produce high quality RTR products for a tiny market that is often barely (or not at all) viable, alongside smaller producers like Des, John, Eoin and Leslie who are vital parts of our scene. As said above by Broithe, this is not an either or thing. But does it come with realistic chuffing sound? The holy grail!! 1 Quote
BEANO3005 Posted October 27 Posted October 27 On 26/10/2024 at 8:51 PM, Westcorkrailway said: Good prediction…wrong manufacturer! Yea but we might see it sometime around 2050. 1 Quote
Westcorkrailway Posted October 27 Posted October 27 Hey Murphy’s say 2026….so surely sometime before the end of the decade! 1 Quote
Horsetan Posted October 27 Posted October 27 17 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: Hey Murphy’s say 2026….so surely sometime before the end of the decade! Hopefully not accompanied by the sound of a can being kicked down the road Quote
Colin_McLeod Posted October 28 Posted October 28 22 hours ago, Broithe said: It isn't an 'either or' situation. RTR and DIY can coexist - and feed off each other Agree. For example by the time I had discovered IRM, all the orange cement bubbles were gone. They are now even more rare than hens' teeth and when they do appear expect to pay c €100 per wagon. My solution: buy IRM bubbles of any colour, a tin of paint and some transfers from Model Irish Railways who trade on eBay with the username sylvimcnall-0 2 1 2 Quote
GSR 800 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 12 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: Agree. For example by the time I had discovered IRM, all the orange cement bubbles were gone. They are now even more rare than hens' teeth and when they do appear expect to pay c €100 per wagon. My solution: buy IRM bubbles of any colour, a tin of paint and some transfers from Model Irish Railways who trade on eBay with the username sylvimcnall-0 The problem being all IRM bubbles are rare as hens teeth 1 Quote
Horsetan Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 hour ago, GSR 800 said: The problem being all IRM bubbles are rare as hens teeth Maybe it's time for some sort of cement bubble kit for the periods when the IRM ones aren't available? Quote
GSR 800 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 1 minute ago, Horsetan said: Maybe it's time for some sort of cement bubble kit for the periods when the IRM ones aren't available? return to the kinder egg 1 Quote
Horsetan Posted October 28 Posted October 28 43 minutes ago, GSR 800 said: return to the kinder egg Yes, that could see a bit of a revival Quote
enniscorthyman Posted October 29 Posted October 29 When Fran wasn't looking, I sneaked the pre production Park Royals onto Bog Road.They are truly superb and look even better on a layout. 15 2 1 Quote
Patrick Davey Posted October 29 Posted October 29 1 hour ago, enniscorthyman said: When Fran wasn't looking, I sneaked the pre production Park Royals onto Bog Road.They are truly superb and look even better on a layout. Very much so Eamonn!!! Great to see you yesterday and to see your lovely layout again. 2 1 Quote
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