AEC railcars

[Lambeg man]

On 3/12/2015 at 10:57 AM, tonybonneyba said:

Did the ACE / 2600 class have the exhaust attached to the rear beside the gangway like the BR 105 or underfloor?

All AEC & BUT Railcars (as built) exhausted at ground level. The UTA to their credit began fitting roof level exhausts to their AEC and BUT Railcars around 1961/62. On the full width cab Railcars the two exhausts came up at the back either side of the corridor connection. With the half cab BUT's, a single (boxed in ) exhaust came up on the opposite side from the cab at both ends. 

[jhb171achill]

On 24/10/2021 at 3:09 PM, Galteemore said:

http://worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Irish_Standard_Gauge.htm
 

2 car set here. Will be a basic etch only.

Worsley would sell a lot more if they would provide illustrations of each etch. Many people don't know what the various things offered look like, and few would be bothered researching each and every one to get a picture!

23 minutes ago, Lambeg man said:

All AEC & BUT Railcars (as built) exhausted at ground level. The UTA to their credit began fitting roof level exhausts to their AEC and BUT Railcars around 1961/62. On the full width cab Railcars the two exhausts came up at the back either side of the corridor connection. With the half cab BUT's, a single (boxed in ) exhaust came up on the opposite side from the cab at both ends. 

...........and BOY, were they NOISY!

[Lambeg man]

54 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Worsley would sell a lot more if they would provide illustrations of each etch.

Jonathan Allen photo of one of the refurbished '700' BUT Railcars that went to CIE. Note the absence of roof level exhaust.

Barry Carse photo of an NIR (ex-UTA) BUT Railcar showing the UTA fitted exhaust pipe on the left hand side. So I think it is fair play to say that CIE never fitted roof exhausts to their Railcars.

One more in respect of livery variations. A Frank Church photo of a UTA (ex-GNR) AEC Railcar in full UTA green livery JUST BEFORE the 'Wasp' warning panels were applied in 1961. Note how the running number has been restored to the front panel as per GNR practice... (and with a light grey roof Jon!)

Edited November 16, 2022 by Lambeg man

[Lambeg man]

11 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

and BOY, were they NOISY!

EDITED - Correction to original post. They DID have exhaust silencers fitted.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man

[jhb171achill]

30 minutes ago, Lambeg man said:

Jonathan Allen photo of one of the refurbished '700' BUT Railcars that went to CIE. Note the absence of roof level exhaust.

Barry Carse photo of an NIR (ex-UTA) BUT Railcar showing the UTA fitted exhaust pipe on the left hand side. So I think it is fair play to say that CIE never fitted roof exhausts to their Railcars.

One more in respect of livery variations. A Frank Church photo of a UTA (ex-GNR) AEC Railcar in full UTA green livery JUST BEFORE the 'Wasp' warning panels were applied in 1961. Note how the running number has been restored to the front panel as per GNR practice... (and with a light grey roof Jon!)

Indeed - that light grey roof was a one-off variation, like the short-lived "whiskerless" green you've illustrated, but confined to the UTA. Everything CIE, be it in green or black'n'tan, always had black roofs.

 

Edited November 16, 2022 by jhb171achill

[Lambeg man]

From the Railway Magazine July 1950 -

 

 

[Westcorkrailway]

the new west cork book has drawings of AEC railcars in the back page somehwere. I’m getting my review copy tommorow might help with a kit if I ever made one, or a 3D print 

[Lambeg man]

1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said:

drawings of AEC railcars

This drawing is from AEC Park Royal's manual for the Railcars. However it will be seen that the window corners are incorrectly shown as curved, where in fact photo's elsewhere in the manual of the Railcars under construction, show the window corners to be (in GNR fashion) square. The same occurred with the drawings for the BUT Railcars .

Also the edges of the front buffer beam are shown angled inwards, whereas on the Railcars it is more square as seen in the following photo (photographer unknown)

Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man

[Colin R]

These would be nice in RTR

Colin

[jhb171achill]

54 minutes ago, Colin R said:

These would be nice in RTR

Colin

Here’s hoping!

[Westcorkrailway]

You could have one in GNR blue, UTA blue, CIE green, UTA green, black and tan and then push pull variant. 
 

And then you’d have to make a C class for the push pull variant

[jhb171achill]

14 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

You could have one in GNR blue, UTA blue, CIE green, UTA green, black and tan and then push pull variant. 
 

And then you’d have to make a C class for the push pull variant

For ten points and a bonus prize, and a chance to win a luxury Porsche, how many livery variants can you identify for AEC railcars? (There are 11......)

2 hours ago, Lambeg man said:

This drawing is from AEC Park Royal's manual for the Railcars. However it will be seen that the window corners are incorrectly shown as curved, where in fact photo's elsewhere in the manual of the Railcars under construction, show the window corners to be (in GNR fashion) square. The same occurred with the drawings for the BUT Railcars .

Also the edges of the front buffer beam are shown angled inwards, whereas on the Railcars it is more square as seen in the following photo (photographer unknown)

Neither the first nor the last instance of official drawings differing from the eventual real thing!

[Westcorkrailway]

I’ll give it a go, not sure these are liveries as they are variants 

 

GNR blue 

UTA blue 

NTA green 

pre 55 green 

CIE green 

CIE green with numbers on doors 

CIE green with wasp stripes on roof the wazza 

CIE Black and Tan 

CIE Black and Tan push pull dvt 

CIE Black and Tan with the blacked out windows 

 

possibly a maroon livery after? I’m not sure when the northern ones went out of use 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Westcorkrailway

[Lambeg man]

1 hour ago, jhb171achill said:

For ten points and a bonus prize, and a chance to win a luxury Porsche, how many livery variants can you identify for AEC railcars? (There are 11......)

Dealing purely with the ex-GNR Railcars -

1. GNR Blue/White (with variations where they put the running number)

2. UTA all over green

3. UTA green with 'Wasp' warning panels

4. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Suburban version)

5. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Express version)

6. NIR Maroon/Grey

7. NIR All over maroon when altered to Parcel Trailers

8. CIE 'new' green

9. CIE Black & Orange

And that's my answer!!!

[jhb171achill]

19 minutes ago, Lambeg man said:

Dealing purely with the ex-GNR Railcars -

1. GNR Blue/White (with variations where they put the running number)

2. UTA all over green

3. UTA green with 'Wasp' warning panels

4. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Suburban version)

5. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Express version)

6. NIR Maroon/Grey

7. NIR All over maroon when altered to Parcel Trailers

8. CIE 'new' green

9. CIE Black & Orange

And that's my answer!!!

You've won a 5-week luxury holiday for seven in the Maldives!

Add to the above: 10. CIE green with stripes on top of the front of the roof, and 11. GNR navy / cream with UTA numbers and logo.

Both 2 & 11 were both limited to very few vehicles, and also very short-lived.

 

[Old Blarney]

CIE Dark green. 1st and 3rd Class

CIE Lighter Green. 1st and 2nd Class.

[WRENNEIRE]

Amazing what one finds when looking for candles for ones Birthday Cake (a lot of candles)

 

[jhb171achill]

28 minutes ago, Old Blarney said:

CIE Dark green. 1st and 3rd Class

CIE Lighter Green. 1st and 2nd Class.

Indeed; forgot about the two greens! That’s 12 liveries, then.

[Lambeg man]

10 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Amazing what one finds when looking for candles for ones Birthday Cake (a lot of candles)

Hi, what is the source of your models? Kits? LM

Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man

[WRENNEIRE]

Silver Fox 

[Westcorkrailway]

I just sold my Silverfox Railcars. They took an awful lot of work to get working. 

 

at least the roof was black form @jhb171achill! (And for myself tbh). All that money has been re-invested in those 6 wheelers though

[murrayec]

Happy Birthday Wrennie

Lots of Love,

Eoin

[DiveController]

7 hours ago, Colin R said:

These would be nice in RTR

Colin

They didn’t go for it ..

[Westcorkrailway]

 

[jhb171achill]

7 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

 

Yes, that's the "stripey" one I referred to.

[Colin R]

On 17/11/2022 at 10:20 PM, DiveController said:

They didn’t go for it ..

shame 

[gibbo675]

Hi folks,

I thought you may interested in one of my latest projects, so here is my AEC railcar which is now being painted. I shall post more once it is in finished state.

The build is detailed within my ongoing thread should you wish to see how it progresses, the K15 is also featured.

A three car unit with a K15 open third as the centre car.

Gibbo.

[gibbo675]

Hi Chaps,

A spot of painting today, the colours I used were Ford Ivory White and Skoda Pacific Blue. The blue is perhaps a tad dark but it will have to do as first its all I had and second its done now !

 

Gibbo.

[GM073]

On 15/11/2019 at 12:27 AM, minister_for_hardship said:

Slightly ot but in light of the fact that there are "reasonable" amounts of home movies and cine film of railways here in 50s and 60s, it's a shame there's no sound film I'm aware of. We will never get to hear what lost classes of loco (or railcar) really sounded like. 

 

An rtr AEC would be a winner for me, haven't the patience, expertise or equipment for anything other than a simple wagon kit.

Quite a few years since this was posted - there's a RTR AEC Railcar produced by Silver Fox Models: https://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/cie-2600-class-railcar-aecpark-royal/

Has anyone any experience of these models? I think they are modelled at the time they were AEC driven as opposed to being pushed by the C Class???

 

On another point, could one of you learned gentlemen educate me what's the difference between black and tan and Supertrain livery?

 

Thanks,

Alan

Edited January 24 by GM073

[WRENNEIRE]

Supertrain Livery:


Black & tan

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[Mol_PMB]

The early applications of black and tan (1962/3) were done before the CIE 'roundel' was introduced at the end of 1963, so they didn't have the roundel applied. Examples include B141s as delivered, and the relatively small number of Crossley-engined A and C class locos painted in black and tan. 

Later repaints (and the newly-delivered 181 class) in the mid and late 1960s had the roundel with the black and tan livery, but on the AR / B101 / B201 class locos the tan band was usually not as deep. 

The deep tan band and CIE roundel shown on A39R above is prototypically correct for this loco, but it was a rare combination.

 

Considering the AEC railcars in black and tan, some of them carried the roundel and unusually it was on the tan (orange) band, not on the black. The roundel colours were therefore changed so it would show up. The 'broken wheel' was black with a fine white edging, while the CIE remained white.

No AEC railcars carried 'Supertrain' which as far as I am aware was only applied to air-conditioned coaches (Mk2 and Mk3) and locomotives.

 

Edited January 24 by Mol_PMB
typo

[Westcorkrailway]

12 hours ago, GM073 said:

Quite a few years since this was posted - there's a RTR AEC Railcar produced by Silver Fox Models: https://silverfoxmodels.co.uk/cie-2600-class-railcar-aecpark-royal/

Has anyone any experience of these models? I think they are modelled at the time they were AEC driven as opposed to being pushed by the C Class???

 

On another point, could one of you learned gentlemen educate me what's the difference between black and tan and Supertrain livery?

 

Thanks,

Alan

I’ve purchased a set before and tbh they are more hastle than they are worth. Mine came broken and took hours of fixing, a lot of it due to the entire thing being glued together. All that for something that is not really that accurate and quite expensive once you include the Brexitstan tax 

 

[Mike 84C]

We have an AEC set at our club which runs/ran on Bantry. I found it rather fragile and have had to do repairs to one of the bogies. In fairness its construction is maybe too light for club use and the "fat finger brigade" I do feel the overall look is fine and the front/windows area is better than a cut and shut BR version. Until "another manufacturer" comes up with the goods, Silverfox it is.

[jhb171achill]

8 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I’ve purchased a set before and tbh they are more hastle than they are worth. Mine came broken and took hours of fixing, a lot of it due to the entire thing being glued together. All that for something that is not really that accurate and quite expensive once you include the Brexitstan tax 

 

Plus, in typical Silverfox style, the livery is badly incorrect on most variations.

[Broithe]

1 hour ago, Mike 84C said:

We have an AEC set at our club which runs/ran on Bantry. I found it rather fragile and have had to do repairs to one of the bogies. In fairness its construction is maybe too light for club use and the "fat finger brigade" I do feel the overall look is fine and the front/windows area is better than a cut and shut BR version. Until "another manufacturer" comes up with the goods, Silverfox it is.

I thought I had seen that in Sleaford, but I wasn't sure and was waiting for confirmation. I remember thinking that it did look quite nice.