Lambeg man Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 3/12/2015 at 10:57 AM, tonybonneyba said: Did the ACE / 2600 class have the exhaust attached to the rear beside the gangway like the BR 105 or underfloor? All AEC & BUT Railcars (as built) exhausted at ground level. The UTA to their credit began fitting roof level exhausts to their AEC and BUT Railcars around 1961/62. On the full width cab Railcars the two exhausts came up at the back either side of the corridor connection. With the half cab BUT's, a single (boxed in ) exhaust came up on the opposite side from the cab at both ends. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 24/10/2021 at 3:09 PM, Galteemore said: http://worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_Irish_Standard_Gauge.htm 2 car set here. Will be a basic etch only. Worsley would sell a lot more if they would provide illustrations of each etch. Many people don't know what the various things offered look like, and few would be bothered researching each and every one to get a picture! 23 minutes ago, Lambeg man said: All AEC & BUT Railcars (as built) exhausted at ground level. The UTA to their credit began fitting roof level exhausts to their AEC and BUT Railcars around 1961/62. On the full width cab Railcars the two exhausts came up at the back either side of the corridor connection. With the half cab BUT's, a single (boxed in ) exhaust came up on the opposite side from the cab at both ends. ...........and BOY, were they NOISY! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: Worsley would sell a lot more if they would provide illustrations of each etch. Jonathan Allen photo of one of the refurbished '700' BUT Railcars that went to CIE. Note the absence of roof level exhaust. Barry Carse photo of an NIR (ex-UTA) BUT Railcar showing the UTA fitted exhaust pipe on the left hand side. So I think it is fair play to say that CIE never fitted roof exhausts to their Railcars. One more in respect of livery variations. A Frank Church photo of a UTA (ex-GNR) AEC Railcar in full UTA green livery JUST BEFORE the 'Wasp' warning panels were applied in 1961. Note how the running number has been restored to the front panel as per GNR practice... (and with a light grey roof Jon!) Edited November 16, 2022 by Lambeg man 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, jhb171achill said: and BOY, were they NOISY! EDITED - Correction to original post. They DID have exhaust silencers fitted. Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Lambeg man said: Jonathan Allen photo of one of the refurbished '700' BUT Railcars that went to CIE. Note the absence of roof level exhaust. Barry Carse photo of an NIR (ex-UTA) BUT Railcar showing the UTA fitted exhaust pipe on the left hand side. So I think it is fair play to say that CIE never fitted roof exhausts to their Railcars. One more in respect of livery variations. A Frank Church photo of a UTA (ex-GNR) AEC Railcar in full UTA green livery JUST BEFORE the 'Wasp' warning panels were applied in 1961. Note how the running number has been restored to the front panel as per GNR practice... (and with a light grey roof Jon!) Indeed - that light grey roof was a one-off variation, like the short-lived "whiskerless" green you've illustrated, but confined to the UTA. Everything CIE, be it in green or black'n'tan, always had black roofs. Edited November 16, 2022 by jhb171achill 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 From the Railway Magazine July 1950 - 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 the new west cork book has drawings of AEC railcars in the back page somehwere. I’m getting my review copy tommorow might help with a kit if I ever made one, or a 3D print 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said: drawings of AEC railcars This drawing is from AEC Park Royal's manual for the Railcars. However it will be seen that the window corners are incorrectly shown as curved, where in fact photo's elsewhere in the manual of the Railcars under construction, show the window corners to be (in GNR fashion) square. The same occurred with the drawings for the BUT Railcars . Also the edges of the front buffer beam are shown angled inwards, whereas on the Railcars it is more square as seen in the following photo (photographer unknown) Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 These would be nice in RTR Colin 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, Colin R said: These would be nice in RTR Colin Here’s hoping! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 You could have one in GNR blue, UTA blue, CIE green, UTA green, black and tan and then push pull variant. And then you’d have to make a C class for the push pull variant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: You could have one in GNR blue, UTA blue, CIE green, UTA green, black and tan and then push pull variant. And then you’d have to make a C class for the push pull variant For ten points and a bonus prize, and a chance to win a luxury Porsche, how many livery variants can you identify for AEC railcars? (There are 11......) 2 hours ago, Lambeg man said: This drawing is from AEC Park Royal's manual for the Railcars. However it will be seen that the window corners are incorrectly shown as curved, where in fact photo's elsewhere in the manual of the Railcars under construction, show the window corners to be (in GNR fashion) square. The same occurred with the drawings for the BUT Railcars . Also the edges of the front buffer beam are shown angled inwards, whereas on the Railcars it is more square as seen in the following photo (photographer unknown) Neither the first nor the last instance of official drawings differing from the eventual real thing! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) I’ll give it a go, not sure these are liveries as they are variants GNR blue UTA blue NTA green pre 55 green CIE green CIE green with numbers on doors CIE green with wasp stripes on roof the wazza CIE Black and Tan CIE Black and Tan push pull dvt CIE Black and Tan with the blacked out windows possibly a maroon livery after? I’m not sure when the northern ones went out of use Edited November 17, 2022 by Westcorkrailway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jhb171achill said: For ten points and a bonus prize, and a chance to win a luxury Porsche, how many livery variants can you identify for AEC railcars? (There are 11......) Dealing purely with the ex-GNR Railcars - 1. GNR Blue/White (with variations where they put the running number) 2. UTA all over green 3. UTA green with 'Wasp' warning panels 4. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Suburban version) 5. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Express version) 6. NIR Maroon/Grey 7. NIR All over maroon when altered to Parcel Trailers 8. CIE 'new' green 9. CIE Black & Orange And that's my answer!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Lambeg man said: Dealing purely with the ex-GNR Railcars - 1. GNR Blue/White (with variations where they put the running number) 2. UTA all over green 3. UTA green with 'Wasp' warning panels 4. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Suburban version) 5. UTA 'Regional' (GN section) Blue/Cream (Express version) 6. NIR Maroon/Grey 7. NIR All over maroon when altered to Parcel Trailers 8. CIE 'new' green 9. CIE Black & Orange And that's my answer!!! You've won a 5-week luxury holiday for seven in the Maldives! Add to the above: 10. CIE green with stripes on top of the front of the roof, and 11. GNR navy / cream with UTA numbers and logo. Both 2 & 11 were both limited to very few vehicles, and also very short-lived. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Blarney Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 CIE Dark green. 1st and 3rd Class CIE Lighter Green. 1st and 2nd Class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Amazing what one finds when looking for candles for ones Birthday Cake (a lot of candles) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, Old Blarney said: CIE Dark green. 1st and 3rd Class CIE Lighter Green. 1st and 2nd Class. Indeed; forgot about the two greens! That’s 12 liveries, then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambeg man Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: Amazing what one finds when looking for candles for ones Birthday Cake (a lot of candles) Hi, what is the source of your models? Kits? LM Edited November 17, 2022 by Lambeg man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Silver Fox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 I just sold my Silverfox Railcars. They took an awful lot of work to get working. at least the roof was black form @jhb171achill! (And for myself tbh). All that money has been re-invested in those 6 wheelers though 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Happy Birthday Wrennie Lots of Love, Eoin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 7 hours ago, Colin R said: These would be nice in RTR Colin They didn’t go for it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jhb171achill Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 7 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: Yes, that's the "stripey" one I referred to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 On 17/11/2022 at 10:20 PM, DiveController said: They didn’t go for it .. shame 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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