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Fascinating detail Ivor, great to have this knowledge for us all to see.

 

I feel it deserves a separate thread rather than crowding Hunslet's Layout threat and made it easier searching for this information at a later date. Moderators what do you think?

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Again, Hunslet, absolutely superb job!

 

All you need is a drunk from across the road in the "Crown" being refused entry at the ticket barrier.....

 

Thanks John,in the photo below,the regular from the "Crown" managed to get through the ticket barrier having returned from the RVH for his train home to Finaghy after being treated for his latest fall outside the pub!

 

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superb set of railcars Andy - fine job on the wasp stripes on the green liveried aec=D in the pic below i spotted the little 'class 1' diesel shunter..she looks a beauty. any chance of a few close ups please?

 

Seamus-a couple of close-up shots of the DH loco.I done her about 10 years ago so she is a bit rough round the edges,but a great little loco that I am proud of.

 

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Good to see you back posting Andy and your time away from the layout had been so productively spent. Great to see the 3 liveries together. How did you do the Railcars and what did you use to motorise them? Would love to see more pictures please.

 

Kieran-a couple of close up photo's of AEC 111 railcar as requested,will upload the others as and when I get a chance.

 

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Seamus-a couple of close-up shots of the DH loco.I done her about 10 years ago so she is a bit rough round the edges' date='but a great little loco that I am proud of. <img src="http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14130"/><img src="http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14131"/>[/quote']

 

Love the DH-neat work,well done Andy.

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33lima, I'm certain no GNR railcar stuff ever got the "Catherwood blue", and equally no MED. I do think, though, that at least one or two loco-hauled coaches (GNR? NCC?) might have got it, and this would account for the "turquoise train" on the Bangor line. Alternatively, it could indeed have been an MPD set on trial.

 

At least one MED set run in the line green without red patches, but these sector liveries were so short lived that few might have seen it. I don't know which car number was like thick but once my resources are unpacked when my house move is complete, I'll be able to find out.

 

The GNR section livery had the same shade of blue - similar to GNR locos - for both "main line" and "suburban" sector liveries. Variations in pictures would be due to photographic variations.

 

The GNR used a much darker shade and at least one set made it into the sixties in original GNR livery, but with UTA red-hand crests and UTA-style numerals.

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33lima, I'm certain no GNR railcar stuff ever got the "Catherwood blue", and equally no MED. I do think, though, that at least one or two loco-hauled coaches (GNR? NCC?) might have got it, and this would account for the "turquoise train" on the Bangor line. Alternatively, it could indeed have been an MPD set on trial.

 

At least one MED set run in the line green without red patches, but these sector liveries were so short lived that few might have seen it. I don't know which car number was like thick but once my resources are unpacked when my house move is complete, I'll be able to find out.

 

The GNR section livery had the same shade of blue - similar to GNR locos - for both "main line" and "suburban" sector liveries. Variations in pictures would be due to photographic variations.

 

The GNR used a much darker shade and at least one set made it into the sixties in original GNR livery, but with UTA red-hand crests and UTA-style numerals.

 

Since the 'turquoise train' I remember was definitely a railcar, then either my recollections are mixed up and it WAS MED14 in the cream-over-pale-green livery pictured in 'Diesel Dawn' or it was after all an MPD set being tried out on the Bangor line, contrary to reports in the excellent '35 Years of NIR' that MPDs only got to Bangor twice, in April 1977 on a football special and again in October 1979 on an RPSI MPD farewell tour. Given the UTA was known for experimenting with different railcars on different sections, I suppose it's fairly credible that MPDs were tried out on the Bangor line before the Middlepath Street bridge was dropped in 1965. The arrival of non-corridor and 'bus-type seated' MPDs in the late 1950s suitable for short high-density runs, turned out in 'Catherwood Blue', would tend to fit in with my Carnalea sightings, from the early 1960s sometime.

 

Incidentally I had a look at Stephen Johnson's colour profiles from the mid-1990s and he portrayed MED 14 in 'Catherwood Blue' with wasp stripes on the front. His caption says this was only applied to # 14, the same vehicle pictured in pale green with cream uppers, no wasp stripes and the overpainted Red Hand disc on front, in 'Diesel Dawn'. I don't know what Stephen's source was re MED 14 but this series of profiles was a work-in-progress 20 years ago so was subject to possible later correction. I trust if watching that he won't mind me reproducing this one sheet below.

 

Steve may have got further but by 1997 the coverage was MEDs, 70 Class, 80 Class, NIR diesels, some CIE/IR diesels, NIR Mk2s and CIE/IR Mk2s - if he ever did profiles for the GNR railcars I don't think I ever saw them, or found out where the project ended up, but it was an interesting and unique effort.

 

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Since the 'turquoise train' I remember was definitely a railcar, then either my recollections are mixed up and it WAS MED14 in the cream-over-pale-green livery pictured in 'Diesel Dawn' or it was after all an MPD set being tried out on the Bangor line, contrary to reports in the excellent '35 Years of NIR' that MPDs only got to Bangor twice, in April 1977 on a football special and again in October 1979 on an RPSI MPD farewell tour. Given the UTA was known for experimenting with different railcars on different sections, I suppose it's fairly credible that MPDs were tried out on the Bangor line before the Middlepath Street bridge was dropped in 1965. The arrival of non-corridor and 'bus-type seated' MPDs in the late 1950s suitable for short high-density runs, turned out in 'Catherwood Blue', would tend to fit in with my Carnalea sightings, from the early 1960s sometime.

 

Incidentally I had a look at Stephen Johnson's colour profiles from the mid-1990s and he portrayed MED 14 in 'Catherwood Blue' with wasp stripes on the front. His caption says this was only applied to # 14, the same vehicle pictured in pale green with cream uppers, no wasp stripes and the overpainted Red Hand disc on front, in 'Diesel Dawn'. I don't know what Stephen's source was re MED 14 but this series of profiles was a work-in-progress 20 years ago so was subject to possible later correction. I trust if watching that he won't mind me reproducing this one sheet below.

 

Steve may have got further but by 1997 the coverage was MEDs, 70 Class, 80 Class, NIR diesels, some CIE/IR diesels, NIR Mk2s and CIE/IR Mk2s - if he ever did profiles for the GNR railcars I don't think I ever saw them, or found out where the project ended up, but it was an interesting and unique effort.

 

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Very interesting set of prints Ivor and for Steve Johnson to say it was only applied to railcar 14,between 1959-1961 would suggest he has researched that information from somewhere.The period was just before I was born,so I would never have seen it,but given the way the UTA operated with colour schemes and the time period you remember seeing it is similar,there is a fair chance you may not be imagining it.Would be great if some-one could confirm it either way.

Just to show the lunacy of the UTA,when they embarked on the sector colour schemes in the mid 60s,for the BCDR section they chose green/cream in both suburban and mainline liveries to run the only section left-Queen's Quay to Bangor!!

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andy - shes a little belter! love the livery and detail. is she a complete scratch build or a convet? what chassis did you use? when you get a chance, will you post more pics of her please?

 

Thanks Seamus,I will get a few more pics uploaded as soon as I can.The DH is a part scratch/part model bashed Mainline 03 diesel shunter and she is thus powered by the Mainline chassis.I worked from scaled down dimensions to 00 scale,used what I could from the shunter body and done the rest with plasticard.Glad you like her,I have always intended to build another one,but like most projects,what I intend to do and what I actually get done are miles apart!

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I'm sorry for interrupting gentlemen but that image that 33Lima has posted is rather interesting, is it a book? And is there any similar to that one of the MEDs showing steam locos?

 

Fantastic information btw gentlemen,

 

Hi Nelson

noted author and modeller Steve Johnson (whom I helped with some minor research for his Irish Railway Atlas & Gazeteer, after we corresponded while I was the editor for the early issues of 'Irish Lines') about 1997 produced these as part of a series of livery profiles, I think using scanned works drawings (he probably got the UTA ones from me, via the UFTM!). They may have been intended for publication. He used to send me a set of the latest versions for review. The final set I saw had about 6 pages of MED profiles and other pages of profiles covering the types I mentioned above (no steam locos). I don't know how it ended up - haven't been in touch with Steve for ages - but unfortunately if it was for a book it didn't get published. Fortunately I still have the ones he sent me, including the one above.

Ivor

 

Sorry to hi-jack your thread, Andy, keep the GN pics coming!

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  • 3 weeks later...

Finally got round to completing my early 1970s CIE weedkilling train,below are some photo's of the various wagons.

 

First up is motive power B class Sulzer B105

 

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Behind B105 are the 2 tank wagons that normally accompanied the train

 

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next up is the wagon with the shed,along with the mobile compressor and a couple of concrete blocks for weight

 

B105 + shed.jpg

 

below is the tank wagon with the half steam engine driving end attached,a strange looking beast

 

B105+ tank large.jpg

 

behind the beast is a standard CIE van along with the short coach,the original has been restored at Downpatrick,but in this guise all the windows had been plated over apart from the door and side windows

 

B105 + coach.jpg

 

and bringing up the rear is the brake van,made by Glenderg of this parish,which is just as well as I have still not completed my SSM brake van!

 

B105 + brake van.jpg

 

and finally is a scale length view of the whole train

 

B105+ weedkiller train.jpg

 

Took a while to complete on and off,but well pleased with it and it looks great on the layout.

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Jasus Andy - you have surpassed yourself here - I love it!! you have really captured my imagination with that train - she must have been some sight to see. did she run over the whole network? again, superb stuff and well done=D

 

Thanks for all the comments guys,much appreciated.Seamus,yes she covered the whole network,including NIR usually once a year,although sometimes it would miss a year with NIR due to finances.She lasted until about 1978,when she was replaced by the more modern version.The train is a throwback to the good old days when the railways were full of character.

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  • 2 weeks later...
heres one for you Andy...

 

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.......will you give modelling this a lash?:rolleyes:

 

I have already done that one Seamus,it is back on page 5 of the thread and you made a comment on it!! I think watching that mother in law of yours is clouding your mind!!

 

Anyway,here they are below to save you scrolling back.

 

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Finally got round to completing my early 1970s CIE weedkilling train,below are some photo's of the various wagons.

 

next up is the wagon with the shed,along with the mobile compressor and a couple of concrete blocks for weight

 

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below is the tank wagon with the half steam engine driving end attached,a strange looking beast

 

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Missed this when you first posted. Railway history reproduced. Love the little details like the mobile compressor but that 'beast' is something else. Have you any photographs of the real thing?

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Missed this when you first posted. Railway history reproduced. Love the little details like the mobile compressor but that 'beast' is something else. Have you any photographs of the real thing?

 

Thanks Kieran,for original photo's,if you put in CIE weedkiller train in advance search,it will take you to the questions and answers page from Jan 13,you will see photo's on that thread of the original train.I still need to find a suitable ladder to complete the beast,but the railways back then just had so much more character than today.

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The start of the Christmas holidays gave me the opportunity to give the trains a much needed run after nearly 4 months! Below is a photo of one session from 1970 showing Hunslet 101 Eagle heading under the road bridge with the Enterprise for Great Victoria Street.Heading in the opposite direction is Jeep No 6,returning home to York Road via the Lisburn to Antrim line after a trip working to GVSt.Amongst the traffic a couple of RUC landrovers can be seen,showing the changing face of everyday life in Belfast.

 

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