Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Hi all, any ideas for where i can get irish wagons etc for my layout, or even hornby/dapol/bachmann stuff that wouldn't look to out of place. i'm flexible on the era, 70's ,80's, 90's. not kits though. RTR cheers paddy mac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 9 hours ago, Paddy Mac Namara said: Hi all, any ideas for where i can get irish wagons etc for my layout, or even hornby/dapol/bachmann stuff that wouldn't look to out of place. i'm flexible on the era, 70's ,80's, 90's. not kits though. RTR cheers paddy mac Hi Paddy, Shameless self promotion, but https://irishrailwaymodels.com Cheers! Fran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 thanks Fran, no shame trying to earn a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnthebox Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi Paddy, is there anything of interest in the lot I have for sale on here, Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past-Avenue Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Hi Paddy Here are some hornby wagons i got ant just resprayed them and added decals, just need to weather them when i get brave enough Enda old cie wagons.mp4 Edited January 23, 2019 by Pastavenue 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Past-Avenue Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Hi Paddy This is what the wagons started as Enda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlinxlili Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Paddy, Why don't you have a look at Provincial Wagons here http://www.provincialwagons.com/ . Although you say "no kits" these are very simple kits in resin that can be glued together; like a simple Airfix kit. They have a large range including many unique Irish wagons that you will not find anywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Here’s some Bachmann wagons with CIE decals and mild dirt. Since kadee’d. Some 3D open beet bodies on Dapol chassis as well as the BR mineral wagons X These Bachmann vans just needed the CIE logo, and very light overspray of dirt In formation. IFM do quite presentable 20 ton and 30 ton CIE Brake vans in 3D sitting on Dapol chassis IFM RTR 20 ton brake/guards van on. These really punctuate a 1960s early 1970s goods train formation nicely before modern era uniform braked stock took over from manually handled goods Edited January 23, 2019 by Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) IRM Cement wagons (nearest camera0 and Ballast wagons behind (not yet weathered). Old Lima Vans in back ground. IRM Cement Bubble wagons after a visit to the 'weathering' parlour IRM Bright Orange Bubbles after a visit to the 'weathering' parlour for some dirt and cement gunge IRM Tara mines wagons 1970s CIE era heaven ALL available RTR from a link off the header page of this website. IFM are now only on FaceBook since they stopped using their web site. All that's missing in the gaping hole of goods stock are fine scale beet wagons, H-Vans and Brake vans. Would love if IRM wound the clock back to the 1960s and made some of these in the future. The single bullied corrugated open beat wagon is the last lost holy grail of Irish RTR models, as is the H-Van, now that the holy A class is in process. Edited January 23, 2019 by Noel 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Over the past two years this level of detail and finish is what we have become accustomed to thanks to IRM. Cement Bubble In pristine finish. IRM's web site: https://irishrailwaymodels.com Murphy Models web site: http://www.murphymodels.com IFM's web store now on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Freight-Models-1252098201500518/app/251458316228/ SilverFox website (mainly just passenger stock, locos, etc): http://silverfoxmodels.co.uk Only IRM and Murphy Models produce high quality fine scale RTR models, but the other two still fill some nice gaps, especially IFM with their Brake Vans and two axle non-bogie goods wagons and some other rare stuff. I've converted quite a bit of Bachmann GWR/LMS 2 axle wagons to make up the 1960s and early 1970s era goods traffic rakes that suit my CIE nostalgia era for operating and shunting on the layout (resprays, decals and weathering as many of the basic body shapes are not a million miles off some CIE stuff). Edited January 23, 2019 by Noel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Great collection of wagons, Noel. Those covered vans you weathered and put CIE logos on, they are very reminiscent of later-era GSR-built vans, still running in large numbers well into the 1960s. I saw one or two in the 70s too, though I’m unaware of any that survived long enough to be brown. I have 2 or 3 of those done as CIE vans too. Need to weather them. Your bubble weathering looks great. The advice given re. Provincial Wagons is very sound. My eyesight isn’t great for small fiddly parts (Gawd be with the days when I could see individual atoms!), but I can manage them, so anyone can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Incidentally, I have a made-up SSM CIE guards van. It's in post-1970 brown livery, but I want one in grey as I'm modelling 60s (and late 50s). If anyone has one they'd be happy to swop, PM me; otherwise I'll have to repaint it! Which would be a pity as it's a nice job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) Hi Paddy I have a lot of surplus Provincial Wagons and some other ones painted and decalled in CIE livery Also some BR wagons that could be used as donors They can be seen at the Bray Wheelers gig if you can ever make it to it? Next one is Feb 17th Edited January 23, 2019 by WRENNEIRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 thanks for all the replies/advice it'll take me a while to consider, thanks again paddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 some great suggestions there lads and fab work on the respray jobs. wrennery, yes i would be interested where is the bray wheelers gig on cheers paddy mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 22 minutes ago, Paddy Mac Namara said: wrennery, yes i would be interested where is the bray wheelers gig on cheers paddy mac A post should appear here about the next one shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It's up now! Thanks Broithe for the reminder Eoin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Somebody has to keep an eye on you... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 i have several of these cattle wagons, any suggestions for colour of body and roof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 sorted, looked at some photos online, dirty grey with lots of weathering seems to the answer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 They're long wheelbase, so unlike anything that ever ran here - but - For CIE livery, cattle wagons were plain grey all over: wheels up to roof, chassis, body and all. They didn't stay that way, like most wagons, and became grubby in no time. Roofs tended to darken a bit more due to exposure and exhaust fumes, especially in steam days. Cattle trucks spent a lot of time in later years in outdoor storage, so sun and wind bleaching was a feature of their weatherbeaten appearance as much as dirt. Some, but not many, were repainted brown after about 1971, but since cattle traffic was done away with in 1975, that wasn't long. If you want to go for that short brown period, I'd go for a ratio of one brown one to three grey, and at least one of the grey will still have a flying snail stencil. The brown livery, like the grey, was all-encompassing. Roof, body, chassis, couplings, buffers, the lot. CIE "snails" or roundels were always on the left hand side looking at them. A small number had a stencilled message to the effect that they were "VAC FITTED". With no British prototype looking anything like a CIE one, I am glad to hear that Provincial Leslie is planning one shortly. A long overdue and very necessary item for the Irish scene. I'll be looking for a load of them..... I would add, re-reading your post, it is remiss of me to assume you're modelling CIE, as you didn't suggest you were! If you are modelling a British prototype, keep the black chassis but ditch the white roofs! Virtually nothing that ever ran on rails (though there WERE exceptions) ever had white roofs! And, apart from that, a liberal coating of greyish-brown brake dust weathering. If steam era, sooty weathering on the roofs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 The 1970s was a revolutionary period for CIEs freight operation during which traditional loose coupled goods trains were replaced with fixed formation Liner Trains made up of high capacity long wheel based wagons (by Irish standards). Apart from sugar beet loose coupled goods trains were eliminated by the late 70s and traditional unbraked wagons and vans withdrawn from service and scrapped. General goods traffic was transported by container on scheduled Liner Trains between the major centers. Bulk or single commodity traffic like bagged and bulk cement, fertiliser, oil and mineral ores were transported in block trains of specialist wagons. Mixed consists of different types of wagons sometimes operated where there was not enough traffic for a particular company, this became more common during the 1990s. Heljan have released a OO gauge model of the ESSO Class A tank wagon https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathered/StockDetail.aspx CIE re-gauged a batch of these wagons for ESSO oil traffic from Dublin Port to Sligo, Claremorris. Irish Freight Models https://www.facebook.com/Irish-Freight-Models-1252098201500518/app/251458316228/ produce rtr models of many of the more modern wagons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Mac Namara Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Hi all, and many thanks for all the help. I would like to acknowledge the generosity of spirit shown by members of this community, for your time in responding and sharing of your knowledge. I remember only a couple of years ago, wrenneire (dave?) you gave me some track for free, and very useful it was too. I'm at this about 12 years now and on my 4th layout, but still so many skills to learn and master. cheers guys (no gals on the forum...i'm not sure) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) On 1/24/2019 at 3:49 AM, Mayner said: Heljan have released a OO gauge model of the ESSO Class A tank wagon https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathered/StockDetail.aspx CIE re-gauged a batch of these wagons for ESSO oil traffic from Dublin Port to Sligo, Claremorris. Always interested in tankers. Do you know time period when these were used, 80s? EDIT: Hold on, I just realized there's a whole parallel thread on here Edited January 26, 2019 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, DiveController said: Always interested in tankers. Do you know time period when these were used, 80s? EDIT: Hold on, I just realized there's a whole parallel thread on here 1969-2008-9 These were private owner wagons owned by ESSO. Sligo traffic was usually transported by a 3 times weekly block train that sometimes conveyed bitumen by tank car or ISO container for Sligo Quay. For a short time in the late 1970s-early 1980s Oranmore and Claremorris were served by a twice weekly block train which served both destinations. The Oranmore traffic was short lived and the Claremorris oil traffic was transported on the Northwall-Claremorris Liner Edited January 26, 2019 by Mayner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I was fortunate to have been a train guard that worked the real Esso oil train to and from Claremorris nearly 20 years ago at this stage, It always was a leisurely pace of no more than 35mph when laden and 40mph when empty and thanks to Heljan I now can recreate the liner in model form as the tanks are identical to the real wagons which were scrapped in 2006. I hope to purchase some more in the future to recreate the block train with barrier wagons at either end.... 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, ttc0169 said: I was fortunate to have been a train guard that worked the real Esso oil train to and from Claremorris nearly 20 years ago at this stage, It always was a leisurely pace of no more than 35mph when laden and 40mph when empty and thanks to Heljan I now can recreate the liner in model form as the tanks are identical to the real wagons which were scrapped in 2006. I hope to purchase some more in the future to recreate the block train with barrier wagons at either end.... We expect a 1/76th scale 'you' on the train - https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/3d-scanning/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Just now, Broithe said: We expect a 1/76th scale 'you' on the train - https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/3d-scanning/ Was tempted at Warley....they might be at the Glasgow exhibition in a months time...… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, ttc0169 said: Was tempted at Warley....they might be at the Glasgow exhibition in a months time...… They don't have Glasgow down, but, you never know - https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/diary/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Up Claremorris Liner ESSO tank wagons attached Jully 2005 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Two critical liquid fuels on board, oil and Guinness. Was the empty wagon a barrier? Lovely photo, but every time I see a modern era freight train without a guards van at the end of the formation I wonder "what's missing"? Did a coupling break, but the two red lamps tell the tale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, ttc0169 said: I was fortunate to have been a train guard that worked the real Esso oil train to and from Claremorris nearly 20 years ago at this stage, It always was a leisurely pace of no more than 35mph when laden and 40mph when empty and thanks to Heljan I now can recreate the liner in model form as the tanks are identical to the real wagons which were scrapped in 2006. I hope to purchase some more in the future to recreate the block train with barrier wagons at either end.... As ever Noel your super layout scene picture tell a thousand words. Great wagon formation. Nice spill and weathering job on them too. As the train guard did you travel in the loco with the driver or in a guard's van? Just wondering because I presume these braked formations did not have a traditional brake van at the end (ie 20 years ago). Edited January 27, 2019 by Noel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Noel said: As the train guard did you travel in the loco with the driver or in a guard's van? Just wondering because I presume these braked formations did not have a traditional brake van at the end (ie 20 years ago). Thanks Noel.I travelled on the locomotive at that time as there was no longer a brake van used as part of the formation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krose Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/27/2019 at 1:29 AM, Mayner said: Up Claremorris Liner ESSO tank wagons attached Jully 2005 Fuel for man and machine.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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