Mayner Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Something I hadn't noticed. Heljan have introduced a OO gauge model of the Charles Roberts Class A tank wagon, ideal for the ESSO North Wall-Sligo & (Oranmore) Claremorris oil trains. https://www.hattons.co.uk/203086/Heljan_1154_4_wheel_A_tank_44290_in_Esso_grey_with_1980s_Hazchem_symbols_weathered/StockDetail.aspx Lot simpler than trying to extend the tank barrel on the old Dapol/Airfix tank wagon Apart from re-gauging the wagons appear to have ran in original condition until CIE fitted anchor strips between the tank barrel and underframe at some stage post 1980. ESSO also imported a small number of Class B tank wagons. I saw one North Wall late 1990s in same livery grey barrel and red solebars as the Class A wagons presumably converted to carry Class A (petrol or diesel rather than heavy fuel oil. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) I got my hands on one of these tank wagons and they are the business super model . Edited January 24, 2019 by flange lubricator correcting information 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 At one stage an oil tank wagon went occasionally to Westport Quay with fuel for buses. Is this the type used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: At one stage an oil tank wagon went occasionally to Westport Quay with fuel for buses. Is this the type used? No the Esso wagons only went to Sligo , Oranmore and Claremorris the wagons to the bus garages would have been CIE fuel/oil wagons . Some nice pictures of these Esso wagons on p59 and p92 in 'Rails through the west '. Edited January 24, 2019 by flange lubricator 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Oxford Rail are also doing a version these have the revised suspension (J hangers ) so they are nearer to the CIE ones . https://www.oxforddiecast.co.uk/products/class-b-tank-esso-unbranded-black-revised-suspension-47792-or76tkb002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Ah... yes thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Don't quote me men, but if you are not in a hurry I know some lads who might help with this particular wagon.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: Don't quote me Too late... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirflick Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: Don't quote me men, but if you are not in a hurry I know some lads who might help with this particular wagon.............. Hmmm - the plot thickens...... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, heirflick said: Hmmm - the plot thickens...... One of the angled brackets on the strength girder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) The CIE diagram indicates that the length of the tank barrel or underframe length was not altered when the wagons were re-gauged for use in Ireland. Presumably 995-999 were the re-gauged Type B tank wagons which had a shorter tank barrel than the Type A wagons. Before block trains were introduced in the mid 1970s these wagons ran individually or in small cuts in loose coupled goods trains to Sligo & Mayo. The J Hangers may have been fitted at some stage after the wagons entered service, I had a photo of one of these wagons at Inchacore with the same same suspension and tank mounts as the Heljan model These may have been the first modern Irish private owner wagons an some may have ran in ESSO livery when 1st introduced in the late 1960s. The CIE traffic (Burma & Cement Ltd) and stores oil wagons were considerably shorter than the ESSO wagons running on the "standard" 20T wagon underframe. JHB Unless the Dugort Harbour line survived into the mid late 70s the CIE stores oil wagon is a bit too modern. Before the introduction of the "modern: stores oil wagons CIE transported its fuel oil in a motley collection of company owned and private owner shortwheel base tank wagons. Many of these tank wagons were basically 5'3" gauge versions of standard British tank wagons similar to the Bachmann rtr models. Edited January 24, 2019 by Mayner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Great drawings John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Which oil wagons were used for the oil traffic between Cork and Ballinacourty? Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 3 hours ago, StevieB said: Which oil wagons were used for the oil traffic between Cork and Ballinacourty? Stephen Most likely 26628-31 & 26636-26652 series tank wagons visually similar to the 26570-26589 tank cars built for oil traffic to the cement factories. Short of scratchbuilding a wagon the Bachmann 14t anchor mounted tank wagon although shorter would make a passable model of the tank wagons used by CIE for heavy fuel oil traffic to the cement factories and Ballinacourty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Fantastic model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) Moved this over from the weed sprayer packs thread; I seem to remember noting that a tank wagon run might be possible after the weedsprayer but had forgotten. I would be interested in the earlier tank before the reinforcements in CIE for Fuel Oil as above. Some also carried bitumen. There was an older type for Irish Shell & BP, and Mex, might be one at Whitehead now that I think of it. The CIE reinforced tanks also carries molasses in IR times as well as fuel oil. The whole history of Irish tank wagon sis very interesting and somewhat confusing tbh Edited August 28, 2020 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSGSV Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) On 1/24/2019 at 9:31 PM, Mayner said: These may have been the first modern Irish private owner wagons an some may have ran in ESSO livery when 1st introduced in the late 1960s. A Paddy O'Brien photo is his album on the IRRS site shows 987 and 988 at Sligo in March 1974, with a large "ESSO" oval plate on the right hand tank side, silver/grey barrel and what seems like red solebars. 988 has J hangers too. Edited August 28, 2020 by BSGSV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 What modifications, if any, do the Heljan wagons need to run in an Irish context? Did these wagons go to Limerick for maintenance at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 I see Heljan have re released the A and B versions again lovely looking wagons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 On 28/8/2020 at 3:05 AM, DiveController said: Moved this over from the weed sprayer packs thread; I seem to remember noting that a tank wagon run might be possible after the weedsprayer but had forgotten. I would be interested in the earlier tank before the reinforcements in CIE for Fuel Oil as above. Some also carried bitumen. There was an older type for Irish Shell & BP, and Mex, might be one at Whitehead now that I think of it. THERE IS! AND RICHARD AND I ARE GOING TO GIVE IT THE ONCE OVER ON THURSDAY BEFORE COMING SOUTH TO CLONTARF. I KNOW A MAN WHO MIGHT PRODUCE ONE ...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERW1 Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 (edited) (To be read in patronising primary-school teacher voice) Inside voice please Leslie… Edited October 22 by LNERW1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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