CIE 35 ton steam crane

[Kirley]

I came across this image -The CIE 35 ton steam crane (made by Cowans Sheldon) at work in Navan station.

This was during relaying to accommodate the running of trains to the Tara mines

 

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Wondering when it was decommissioned, any other information on it and if anyone has modeled it?

[Train model]

I'm not sure but I think there is 1 in Guam co Galway

[scahalane]

I believe one exploded in Cork in the 60's, spoke to a guy at the Cork show last Sunday about it and he's got some Photo's of it he was going to route out for me. I'll post them up if I get them.

[WRENNEIRE]

Whitehead last August

 

[heirflick]

could be wrong dave, but i dont think thats the same one . the jib appears longer on the working one and there is slight differences on the crain cab. i know there was 2 in inchicore but was told they were scrapped.

[Broithe]

could be wrong dave, but i dont think thats the same one . the jib appears longer on the working one and there is slight differences on the crain cab. i know there was 2 in inchicore but was told they were scrapped.

 

Definitely different in many details...

[Garfield]

The crane at Whitehead is a GNR Cowans Sheldon 15-tonner.

 

Anyone who was at the Inchicore open day back in '96 may remember that IÉ had a crane in steam on the day, which could possibly even the one in the photo Kirley posted. Scrapped just a few years ago...

Edited November 21, 2012 by Garfield

[waffles]

The crane at Whitehead is a GNR Cowans Sheldon 15-tonner.

 

Anyone who was at the Inchicore open day back in '96 may remember that IÉ had a crane in steam on the day, which could possibly even the one in the photo Kirley posted. Scrapped just a few years ago...

 

 

The crane was one of two bought second hand from British rail they were re-gauged and modified in Inchicore

they were painted in a shade of orange

 

It was know as "Dicks Rig" irish rail made a short documentry about it apox 16 mins and put on VHS.

They tried to give it away but got no takers so they cut it up.

[Kirley]

Schalane if you can get photos please post them especially if it shows spacer trucks.

I have a Hornby breakdown crane in the roofspace and I was wondering on the possibility of modelling this crane,

the Hornby is 75 ton while CIE’s train was 35 ton.

 

Hornby BR Breakdown Crane (R6602)

 

The Hornby breakdown crane model dates from 1971 and is based on a 75 ton rail-crane built by Cowans-Sheldon & Company Ltd of Carlisle. Twelve of the cranes were ordered by British Railways in 1960, ten of them steam driven and two powered by diesel engines. They were the most powerful lifting cranes in Britain at that time.

Like the real cranes, the model includes a jib-runner and two spacer trucks. When the model had first been introduced, the jib-runner had been a conversion of a flat wagon from cheap 'starter' train sets of the 1960s. From 1988 this was replaced by the 'Winkle' plate wagon, introduced in 1972, but suitably converted to provide a bar on which the jib could rest.

The set includes four ‘L’ shaped jack arms that plug into the side of the sides of the chassis, to stabilise the crane when lifting heavy objects. There is also a separate chimney. Over the years there have been at least ten versions of the model, most of them either red or yellow. The recently released version is red and numbered TDM1093 and the jib-runner is numbered BD956528.

[Blaine]

The crane was one of two bought second hand from British rail they were re-gauged and modified in Inchicore

they were painted in a shade of orange

 

It was know as "Dicks Rig" irish rail made a short documentry about it apox 16 mins and put on VHS.

They tried to give it away but got no takers so they cut it up.

 

They were yellow at the end, both cut up fairly quickly too.

 

The Crane at Whitehead is the former GNRI crane and the former NCC crane is at Downpatrick

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

Has anyone got a colour picture of the CIE crane

[Garfield]

Has anyone got a colour picture of the CIE crane

 

There's one here, taken in 1980: http://irishrailwaynews.multiply.com/photos/photo/233/1?&show_interstitial=1&u=%2Fphotos%2Fphoto

 

(You have to wait a few seconds or click the shortcut link to view it...)

Edited November 21, 2012 by Garfield

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

There's on here, taken in 1980: http://irishrailwaynews.multiply.com/photos/photo/233/1?&show_interstitial=1&u=%2Fphotos%2Fphoto

 

Thanks Garfield I've one of the hornby cranes myself so I may have a go when I get time. For some reason I thought they were black

[Glenderg]

They were yellow at the end, both cut up fairly quickly too.

 

What are these then

 

[BosKonay]

Lovely shot - that Bing Maps?

[Garfield]

What are these then

 

That photo is a few years old now, Richie. In the time since it was taken, two of the A class locos and the C class have been moved to Moyasta, the other A has gone to Downpatrick, the Sulzer has gone to Cultra, and the Mk2s have met their fate at the hands of the scrapman, as have the two cranes.

[Glenderg]

Better take a copy of the photos then before they get updated!

[BabyGM]

Great picture glenderg

Lots of interesting stock

[heirflick]

heres my addapted version of the hornby,...

get rid of the rear pony truck, remove the pillar in the front truck and reduce the crane suppoer block. a dash af weathering and the cie logo and there you have it

[heirflick]

What are these then

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]4042[/ATTACH]

 

great find riche! can it be zoomed in and posted up?

[Broithe]

great find riche! can it be zoomed in and posted up?

 

This'll take you there - http://binged.it/QaCaPk - but, that's as close as it'll go..

 

A little closer on Google - https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=inchicore+dublin&ll=53.337755,-6.33876&spn=0.00067,0.001206&hnear=Inchicore,+Dublin,+County+Dublin,+Ireland&gl=uk&t=h&z=20

Edited November 21, 2012 by Broithe

[Glenderg]

Nice work Seamus. I'm sure I have photos of that crane somewhere in pristine condition..I'll look for it later. Bing maps is great for rotating the view to see oblique angles, here are the four available for the crane.

 

http://www.brassjacket.com/GLENDERG/Inchicore_Cranes_crop.jpg

[heirflick]

excelent bro, from the look iof the length of the jib, the hornby model will do nicely! just wondering whats stored to the north of her... any clues?

[Weshty]

That photo is a few years old now, Richie. In the time since it was taken, two of the A class locos and the C class have been moved to Moyasta, the other A has gone to Downpatrick, the Sulzer has gone to Cultra, and the Mk2s have met their fate at the hands of the scrapman, as have the two cranes.

 

 

 

Interesting. what about the fertiliser wagons, 30 ton brake van and the Dutch gennie?

[heirflick]

Nice work Seamus. I'm sure I have photos of that crane somewhere in pristine condition..I'll look for it later. Bing maps is great for rotating the view to see oblique angles, here are the four available for the crane.

 

top marks to you richie.......are you sure you dont work for MI6?

[Garfield]

Interesting. what about the fertiliser wagons, 30 ton brake van and the Dutch gennie?

 

All gone the way of the Mk2s, Des...

 

A couple of the rebuilt Dutch vans were still knocking around not so long ago, in use as brake vans for the fuel oil transfers. Have a feeling they could've been cut up after those movements came to an end.

[Kirley]

heres my addapted version of the hornby,...

[ATTACH=CONFIG]4045[/ATTACH]

get rid of the rear pony truck, remove the pillar in the front truck and reduce the crane suppoer block. a dash af weathering and the cie logo and there you have it

 

Well done Heirflick, how long have you been hiding this gem?

[ttc0169]

A nice and simple project-I must dig out my one and give it a make over,great photos Richie,

[Glenderg]

More photos of her - copyright by the respective owners.

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6785061870/

 

http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway%20Stations%20I/Inchicore/slides/Inchicore_20060908_031_CC_JA.html

 

 

 

An Anthony special methinks... R.

[scahalane]

Nice!

[heirflick]

Well done Heirflick, how long have you been hiding this gem?

 

kirley, thats one of the first projects ive done many moons ago. i was clearing out the british stock that i no longer wanted , as the irish scene was starting up.i knew that cie had a few large crains so i kept this one. the weathering was done with (wait for this) a can of rust prevention spray paint that was nearly empty...just enough to do the job!

[heirflick]

More photos of her - [ATTACH=CONFIG]4063[/ATTACH]

 

[ATTACH=CONFIG]4064[/ATTACH]

 

great pics glenderg, thanks for them! i'd say the top pic was taken in the mid 70's - judged by the haircut of the lad on the left !

Edited November 22, 2012 by heirflick

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Nice model Seamus i have the old Lima version i tried to disguise about 30 years ago i must have a look for it.

[Kirley]

I was searching on the web for more pictures on the CIE cranes and came across the following:

Steam Power replaced by Diesel

Found on the Breakdown Crane Association web site where it quotes,

“However the two which had been sold in 1973 to CIE (Ireland) and re-gauged were scrapped in 2009”

(See http://www.bdca.org.uk/steamreplaced.html)

 

Also on the “old Site” there were questions on the CIE Breakdown Trains in Dec 2010-

http://irishrailwaymodeller.yuku.com/reply/1208/Re-Steam-Crane-Inchicore

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

Also on the “old Site” there were questions on the CIE Breakdown Trains in Dec 2010-

http://irishrailwaymodeller.yuku.com/reply/1208/Re-Steam-Crane-Inchicore

 

 

Nearly 2 years ago now and HeirFlick is still giving of about the mother-in-law =))=))=))

[heirflick]

Nearly 2 years ago now and HeirFlick is still giving of about the mother-in-law =))=))=))

 

its manditory to give out about her ...a way of venting anger in a structered mannor so nobody gets hurt!! ...its a great start to the day along with 2 wheetabix and coffee!

 

 

thanks kirley for the info. the 75 tonner looks so similar to our 35, where would the difference be...the engine or the rigging?