Dapol making 7mm Irish outline!

[BosKonay]

https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults?search%2Fq%2F7s-026%2Fliveries%2FUlster Transport Authority=&utm_source=klaviyo&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mar-0665-dapolojintyproductionsamples&_kx=3O4jaT9R3N9BNIeuxrX-YCy8wubMc7CP430-TeDF3sf4XC8dE6EzeqZKQl0Da0jk.JGQeXh

 

 

[Galteemore]

Lovely but don’t fancy regauging that to 36.75… was a tricky enough proposition in real life ! 

[Westcorkrailway]

A perfect transition model for those willing to take there first step into big gauge

[mphoey]

have been waiting for this announcement for a while now

 

[murphaph]

Likely a one-off being down to it being a repaint of a GB model than the start of an Irish range from Dapol, right?

[Galteemore]

Suspect that’s all it is - an easy win for them, like the Corgi/Bassett Lowke ‘Mogul’ in 0. Bachmann did same thing some years ago with their 00 ‘Jinty’ without launching anything suitable to go along with the loco. Model Rail mag followed same approach in the GSR Sentinel they did. Image from ‘Binns Road’ site …http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/blcorgi/locos/index.html

Edited July 7, 2022 by Galteemore

[jhb171achill]

This is an interesting one.

Both in recent times and over the years of this website, the debate often recurs regarding the extent to which a suggested production run of an 00 scale model would be viable or not, based on how "specialised" it was in some way or another - maybe only in existence a short time, only operating in certain areas, or only used for one purpose. The argument goes that such a thing isn't viable, because not every modeller wants to model the Glenties branch in exactly 1931.

These "Jintys" were common as the commonest thing in Commonland - in Brexitstan. But HERE, there were but TWO of them, and one only operated a decade or so, the other little longer. More than that, theire sole function was to shunt a single terminus - York Road - and its associated dock lines. Even under "Rule 1", to have one operating on a main line train or anything else would be stretching credibility. In other words, it scarely possible to have a prototype with a MORE restricted background - or, to translate the logic to model production, a more limited market - in theory, anyway.

How many of us are modelling Dock Street in Belfast in 1959, in "0" gauge? Now THERE is a "limited market", if ever there was one; as it is in this, and only this, environment that such a locomotive looks anywhere near appropriate.

Yet there it is; and not even 00 scale. In 0 gauge, as above posts point out, there's almost NOTHING Irish KIT-wise, never mind RTR.

So, either we're looking at a fortunate one-off (and for once in UTA modelling, with correct coloured lining) - or a sign that supports the opinion of many, in that you start providing stuff and the market will grow.

As the Leaving Cert exam paper might say, "Discuss"!

Edited July 7, 2022 by jhb171achill

[Sean]

I think its a lovely looking steam choo choo that is not necessarily being marketed towards prototypical scale modellers.

Maybe some people just like collecting jintys or their only concievable space to build in O gauge is out in the garden.

And as i said in the other thread. it will most likely look smashing with a whole heap of grey dapol vans following it!

not every toy train we buy needs to be pulling the exact set of toy trailers that it pulled in real life along an exact carbon clone of the exact same railroad it travelled along in real life. 

[jhb171achill]

True, but there it is! The point being that even if a model has a sverely restricted prototype - or, in this case, a literally unique (and short-lived) one, this is not in itself a reason not to make a model of it.

Imagine if they were doing a RTR "A" class in 0 scale, or a NCC / UTA "WT" class 2.6.4T. If a "Jinty" will sell - or if they perceive that it will - one is tempted to suggest that one of the aforementined might sell even better!

[Dunluce Castle]

Good to see this released, or nearly released. 
If I recall correctly I think the original plans were for Dapol to make an NCC liveried version, but was changed to the above. A better decision in my opinion given the additional lining and crest on the tank sides. 

[jhb171achill]

27 minutes ago, Dunluce Castle said:

Good to see this released, or nearly released. 
If I recall correctly I think the original plans were for Dapol to make an NCC liveried version, but was changed to the above. A better decision in my opinion given the additional lining and crest on the tank sides. 

Agreed - and more people (including me) remember UTA steam than the NCC!

[leslie10646]

12 hours ago, Galteemore said:

Lovely but don’t fancy regauging that to 36.75… was a tricky enough proposition in real life ! 

Aahhhh.... So I shouldn't buy one to increase my loco stud?

[leslie10646]

Yet there it is; and not even 00 scale. In 0 gauge, as above posts point out, there's almost NOTHING Irish KIT-wise, never mind RTR.

Come, come, JB,

Alphagraphix has produced quite a few Irish kits - locos, coaches and wagons and now KMCE of this parish is doing his bit for the 36.5mm (?) folk as well.

There is a post somewhere here of me suggesting a scan of one of my Brown vans and its re-creation as a 3D print (it WAS a very hot summer)......

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Yet there it is; and not even 00 scale. In 0 gauge, as above posts point out, there's almost NOTHING Irish KIT-wise, never mind RTR.

Come, come, JB,

Alphagraphix has produced quite a few Irish kits - locos, coaches and wagons and now KMCE of this parish is doing his bit for the 36.5mm (?) folk as well.

There is a post somewhere here of me suggesting a scan of one of my Brown vans and its re-creation as a 3D print (it WAS a very hot summer)......

Indeed, Leslie - you're quite right, and my apologies to Ken and Roger for the omission! OK, there's SOME stuff.....!

[Galteemore]

7 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Aahhhh.... So I shouldn't buy one to increase my loco stud?

Looking at the brake gear etc, I have visions of much snapped and mangled plastic Leslie, if a conversion were attempted. Much better, I’d say, to build one of these as 36.75 from the ground up….http://www.jimmcgeown.com/Loco Kit Pages/LMS Jinty.html

[Northroader]

It would go with a Sentinel, nice red colour, on a micro layout just out in the sticks from Belfast?

[DSERetc]

C

 

Could someone who is knows about steam locomotive valve gear, identify what is on the Bassett-Lowke CIE Woolwich 2-6-0?  Is it Stephenson's,  Walschaert's, Caprotti, Bulleid's or Franklin's?   The same valve gear is on all the Bassett-Lowke 2-6-0s.    The other B-L locomotives seem to have Walschaert's gears as on the originals.   It seems to me that it is an in-house Bassett-Lowke gear and that it takes away from an otherwise very good model.  What do you think?

I was about to buy one that was in Mark's Models window about the year 2000.

DSERetc

[murrayec]

It's kind of Walschaerts' without the Expansion Link and something funny with the Eccentric Rod front connection to the Combination Lever! - I don't know the history of these models but generally they were designed in Germany with assistance by Mr Greenly for the British market,

so maybe a German version of Walschaerts'

Eoin

 

[David Holman]

Suspect the main reason behind these sort of model releases is to appeal to the collector's market and most will never turn a wheel. Seems folk will speculate on almost anything and 10, 20 years from now such a niche model may turn out to be valuable, though wouldn't hold my breath!

[Mayner]

On 16/7/2022 at 6:12 PM, David Holman said:

Suspect the main reason behind these sort of model releases is to appeal to the collector's market and most will never turn a wheel. Seems folk will speculate on almost anything and 10, 20 years from now such a niche model may turn out to be valuable, though wouldn't hold my breath!

A lot of current day releases model railway and die-cast vehicles appear to be intended to appeal primarily to the collectors market, relatively small production batches which tend to sell out rapidly. The golden rule is that the market sets the price when you buy and sell whether its crypto-currency, digital art, model train and diecast collections, or more conventional investments like property or stocks and shares. If you need to sell you are likely to receive less than you spent.

I have some American large scale (1:20.3) narrow gauge locos and stock bought second hand from collectors and dealer, some of which were 'Shelf Queens" or were never un-boxed the prices paid were lower or similar to current manufacturers prices for new releases of similar items. 

 

 

[minister_for_hardship]

On 14/7/2022 at 5:30 PM, DSERetc said:

C

 

Could someone who is knows about steam locomotive valve gear, identify what is on the Bassett-Lowke CIE Woolwich 2-6-0?  Is it Stephenson's,  Walschaert's, Caprotti, Bulleid's or Franklin's?   The same valve gear is on all the Bassett-Lowke 2-6-0s.    The other B-L locomotives seem to have Walschaert's gears as on the originals.   It seems to me that it is an in-house Bassett-Lowke gear and that it takes away from an otherwise very good model.  What do you think?

I was about to buy one that was in Mark's Models window about the year 2000.

DSERetc

I imagine it's a simplified valve gear, it does make it look more like a toy than a proper model.

[Lambeg man]

On 7/7/2022 at 10:30 AM, Galteemore said:

Lovely but don’t fancy regauging that to 36.75… was a tricky enough proposition in real life ! 

In respect of re-gauging, may I throw a spanner in the works as to the accuracy of the model. The move from 4' 8 1/2" to 5' 3" on the two locomotives in question was achieved by removing the driving wheels from their axles, REVERSING the driving wheels on each axle so that the flat front faced outwards and the "dish" profile faced inward. See several decent published photo's. Ergo, the model seen above is yet another repaint of a GB locomotive and not an accurate IRISH prototype! Off to bed now...