Killian Keane Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) Here is a project Ive been working on with @GSR 800 for some time, its getting to the stage where the work in progress images are starting to be worth showing, an 800 for 00 gauge to fit the hornby Royal Scot chassis, consequent to the use of that chassis, the front has had to be shortened by 2mm between the bufferbeam and the front of the smokebox, other than that its the intention to have it accurate as near as possible rivet-for-rivet When posed next to a loco 46 years its elder (and much more my usual type of modelling, again a work in progress), you get an appreciation for the immense size of the prototype Edited April 17 by Killian Keane 13 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR 800 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 (edited) Excellent work as always Killian. I am a great believer in the potential for 3d printing, especially for the Irish steam scene. The great challenge for RTR Irish Steam is the sheer variety of classes and variants. This example illustrates the possibilities of bringing these to life and taking full advantage of the ever-widening range of Irish RTR rolling stock coming online. Killian's excellent work shows the level of detail that can be achieved. Edited April 16 by GSR 800 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 The loco posed next to the 800 caught my eye, looks suspiciously like an ex-Waterford Limerick and Western 0-6-0. Nice contrast to the J15 "Standard Goods" a number of these locos survived in service into the late 1940s working goods trains between Limerick-Waterford and Tuam, with another based at Mullingar on the Midland. Presumably intended to fit on an Oxford? Dean Goods chassis. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Mayner said: The loco posed next to the 800 caught my eye, looks suspiciously like an ex-Waterford Limerick and Western 0-6-0. Nice contrast to the J15 "Standard Goods" a number of these locos survived in service into the late 1940s working goods trains between Limerick-Waterford and Tuam, with another based at Mullingar on the Midland. Presumably intended to fit on an Oxford? Dean Goods chassis. Precisely correct on both the prototype and the intended chassis, my local line being the former WLW I had to have a loco from that line, very scarce information on them unfortunately so designing has been like pulling teeth, but its coming along 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 On 16/4/2024 at 12:27 AM, Killian Keane said: Here is a project Ive been working on with @GSR 800 for some time, its getting to the stage where the work in progress images are starting to be worth showing, an 800 for 00 gauge to fit the hornby Royal Scot chassis, consequent to the use of that chassis, the front has had to be shortened by 2mm between the bufferbeam and the front of the smokebox, other than that its the intention to have it accurate as near as possible rivet-for-rivet When posed next to a loco 46 years its elder (and much more my usual type of modelling, again a work in progress), you get an appreciation for the immense size of the prototype Most impressive so far. If i might ask what demanded the 2mm compromise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Snail Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 31 minutes ago, BosKonay said: Most impressive so far. If i might ask what demanded the 2mm compromise? Comparing design notes??????? Very impressive work by the way Killian and GSR - Nice to see the WLW in the mix as well as the Queens! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 6 hours ago, BosKonay said: Most impressive so far. If i might ask what demanded the 2mm compromise? Thank you, the 2mm is down to the royal scot being shorter than the 800 mainly in the front bogie, if I'd have made it the full length I was concerned about the overhang of the front buffers etc on curves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 The WLWR loco in closeup, with its tender for anyone interested 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob R Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 I might be interested in a 1/64th (S Scale) version........... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Fabulous work! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) 5 hours ago, Killian Keane said: The WLWR loco in closeup, with its tender for anyone interested Is this ‘’Goliath” and closely related to ‘Shannon’ as built by Richard Chown and now owned by @David Holman? Edited April 17 by Galteemore 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 What is the GSR/CIE classification of the WL&WR 0-6-0, please? Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 11 minutes ago, StevieB said: What is the GSR/CIE classification of the WL&WR 0-6-0, please? Stephen 222/J25 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 2 hours ago, Galteemore said: Is this ‘’Goliath” and closely related to ‘Shannon’ as built by Richard Chown and now owned by @David Holman? Yes the same class, but the earlier non belpaire version 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 Thanks for that. Were some of these sold to the MGWR when the GSWR took over the WLWR and decided they didn’t want the engines on order? Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted April 17 Share Posted April 17 (edited) MGWR took on builders no 3975 and 3974. Locos were named ‘Limerick’ and ‘Athenry’. Classed as 234 (J17) by GSR. Edited April 17 by Galteemore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 (edited) 20 minutes ago, StevieB said: Thanks for that. Were some of these sold to the MGWR when the GSWR took over the WLWR and decided they didn’t want the engines on order? Stephen You can see the MGWR examples got Midland style smokeboxes and chimneys, the GSR apparently called these two class J17 Edited April 17 by Killian Keane 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) GSR numbered the ex-Midland locos in the same series as the ex-GSWR locos. One of the ex-Midland locos 141 Limerick withdrawn in 1929 was allocated but did not carry GSR No 233. The other loco 142 Athenry was re-numbered 234 in 1928 was rebuilt with a 'larger round-topped saturated boiler in 1940 or 41 and was withdrawn in 1950. The loco appears with round topped boiler with riveted smokebox and 'built up" Inchacore chimney similar to the other ex WLWR O-6-0s in a 1938 W A Camwell photo of at Colloney. Although grouped in the same GSWR number series as the other ex-WLWR 0-6-0s, 234 was considered to be a different 'Class J17 to the other ex-WLWR 0-6-0s Class J22 and J25 and remained on the Midland a long term resident of Mullingar used o goods trains to Cavan and Longford before being moved to Sligo where it was used for shunting. (GSR Locos Clements and Mc Mahon). The "Midland engines" had 18'X24" cylinders. The "Southern engines" were classified in two classes J25 222-239 had 17"X24" cylinders and J22 235-236 had 17½x24" cylinders, though all three classes looked visually the same in GSWR/GSR condition with round-topped boiler, riveted smokebox and Inchacore chimney. Its said that the GSWR/GSR standardised on two types of round topped boiler for its ex WLWR locos, one type to the tender locos (4-4-0, 2-4-0 and 0-6-0) and another type to its tank locos (4-4-2T, 2-4-2T and 0-4-4T) All the Ex-WLWR 0-6-0 were placed in the same M/L load class regardless of cylinder diameter and were allowed 5-6 wagons less through each section compared with the ex GSWR and Midland "Standard Goods" classes which were rated Load Class J (Decade of Steam IRRS 1972? Donaldson, O'Neill and McDonnell) In brief the three ex-WLWR 0-6-0s ended up looking visually the same doing similar work but divided into 3 different GSR classes all gone by 1951. Nice contrast to a J15 on a layout Edited April 18 by Mayner 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 no.2 Shannon (Kitson, 1900) as GSR no.222, after rebuilding with a round top firebox No.57 Cyclops (Kitson, 1897), later GSR 238 at Fenit 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphoey Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Think these might be good sellers if made available 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted Friday at 11:10 Share Posted Friday at 11:10 The WLW design looks vaguely like one of the Cambrian Railway 0-6-0s over in Wales.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Keane Posted Friday at 16:53 Author Share Posted Friday at 16:53 Ive had some trouble establishing whether the WLW goods locos had screw or lever reverse, does anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted Friday at 17:28 Share Posted Friday at 17:28 As a rule goods locos have lever reverse as its much easier on the crew than screw (rather poetic that ) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted Friday at 21:19 Share Posted Friday at 21:19 Andy , for shunting engines I'd agree, WR Panniers etc; but look at the position of the reach rod from the cab to the motion behind the splasher. At that angle I think screw reverse is very probable because the pin joints to make the mechanism work would mean a reversing lever handle and catch taller than a man. I think something like a spoked wheel as on an L&Y A class 0-6-0. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob R Posted Friday at 21:35 Share Posted Friday at 21:35 Locos of the GS&WR mentions that they were used on the fast fish specials from Fenit for which screw reverse would be more useful. The resources section has a copy of the "Engineer" drawing of Robinson's 240 which shows the Screw Reverse nicely. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted Friday at 22:39 Share Posted Friday at 22:39 (edited) Cannot check for cab photo as IRRS Flickr site is closed for editing at the moment. Richards Chown's model on WLWR No 2 (later 222) in its original conditions is fitted with a screw reverser. There is a photo of the cab interior on 5 Nov 2020 posting on David's thread. Its likely that Richard's model is based on a Kitson builders drawing obtained from Leeds or NRM York Edited Saturday at 05:22 by Mayner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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