Irish Shell & BP

[josefstadt]

I came across this photo of the small shunter which worked the Irish Shell & BP depot on the North Wall in Dublin. The loco has two axles and an extremely short wheelbase, but apart from that I have no further details (builders, engine type etc). Does anyone know more about this locomotive and what became of it? I think that the photo was taken in the late 60s or early 70s at a time when one could wander down the North Wall on a Sunday with a camera and not be bothered by port security concerns.

[Garfield]

The loco was built by F C Hibberd and has been preserved by the RPSI. More details here: http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/locomotives/loco23.htm

[Broithe]

Lovely thing.

 

A Weshty kit one day, perhaps.....?

[josefstadt]

The loco was built by F C Hibberd and has been preserved by the RPSI. More details here: http://www.steamtrainsireland.com/locomotives/loco23.htm

 

Thanks garfield for the info and the link - much appreciated.

[Garfield]

No problem!

[Mayner]

Nonneminstre Models produce a nice little Whitemetal kit for a Planet diesel that runs on a Spud or Black Beetle power bogie.

 

http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/resources/Nonneminstre%20Models%202012%20Price%20List.pdf

 

The Bachmann 14T tank wagon is pretty close in general design to the Irish Shell wagons http://www.ehattons.com/trade/StockDetail.aspx?SID=18010

[minister_for_hardship]

 

The Bachmann 14T tank wagon is pretty close in general design to the Irish Shell wagons http://www.ehattons.com/trade/StockDetail.aspx?SID=18010

 

What colour schemes did they carry?

Was it silver tank, red frames with 'IRISH SHELL' or 'MEX' in red or were there variations on this?

Edited January 13, 2014 by minister_for_hardship

[Garfield]

Nonneminstre Models produce a nice little Whitemetal kit for a Planet diesel that runs on a Spud or Black Beetle power bogie.

 

http://www.nonneminstre.co.uk/resources/Nonneminstre%20Models%202012%20Price%20List.pdf

 

Nice one, John. I'd forgotten about Nonneminstre Models. They also produce a Hunslet War Department diesel loco, similar to the ones on display at Cultra and Dromod, and a Fowler diesel like the one at Dromod, except the model version is 2ft gauge instead of 3ft.

[Glenderg]

This them on the right hand side?

 

 

Edited January 13, 2014 by Glenderg

[jhb171achill]

The Irish Shell loco was (and is) plain unlined mid green with certain bits picked out in red. If memory serves me correctly, Shell petrol tankers had a livery of red and green in the late 50s / early 60s.

 

It's currently out of action, but served faithfully as the Whitehead shutter for years. I believe its build date was 1951.

[Mayner]

A few photos (not the best quality )of the older type of tank wagons around the Point Yard and Tuam.

 

 

Irish Shell & BP Wagon East Wall Yard Mid 1990s. Charles Roberts wagon dating from late 1920s.

Silver/light grey body red solebars Type A tank wagon.

 

 

ESSO & MEX 202 Point Yard Mid 1980s.

 

The MEX tanker is for Class A highly flammable traffic Petrol and has two compartments.

Silver tank with horizontal orange stripe along centre of barrel.

 

The ESSO tank wagon appears to be a fairly modern bitumen tanker the give away is the insulated body with coned ends.

 

 

MEX tank wagon Tuam sister to 212 but more modern wagon possibly dating from the 1930s no tie down cables around the dome.

 

 

The Joker in the pack TEXACO/CALTEX modern 1960s wagon with anchor mounted tank Light grey tank with red solebars and TEXACO lettering. A modelling challenge with the older CALTEX lettering and horizontal orange stripe grinning through.

 

The TEXACO wagons were commandeered by CIE in the late 70s & 80s and were used on the Alexandra Road Inchacore fuel oil trains.

[minister_for_hardship]

Thanks for posting those, pics of tank wagons in anything but plain black don't seem to crop up all that much.

 

When you say 'commandeered', does that mean the wagons were property of the oil companies?

[Glenderg]

John, thanks a mil for posting the photos and info. Yet another peculiar prototype....R.

[jhb171achill]

I think they were property of oil companies at one stage anyway.

[Mayner]

The tank wagons used by the oil companies were nearly all private owner and separate from railway company stock. The man exception appears to have been the 6 tank wagons built for Burmah in the early 70s.

 

The Donegal & Swilly each had tank wagons with the railway company owning the underframe & the oil company the barrel.

[Kirley]

Does the Hornby model come anyway close to the Burmah Tanker?

 

[jhb171achill]

I had one of those at one time. I don't know how accurate it is in comparison with the original, but it looked fine repainted as it would be here.

[Mayner]

Does the Hornby model come anyway close to the Burmah Tanker?

 

Colour scheme is pretty much spot on for the two petrol tank wagons, the wagons were a lot more modern similar to the Airfix tank wagon

 

http://www.studio-scale-models.com/img/F28.jpg

[DiveController]

The tank wagons used by the oil companies were nearly all private owner and separate from railway company stock. The man exception appears to have been the 6 tank wagons built for Burmah in the early 70s.

 

Would anybody have any photos of these 70's Burmah wagons?

Or photos of models that were repainted of the Irish Shells?

[popeye]

Here are a few pic's of oil wagons. ESSO are mine repainted from Bachmann Fina tanks. Irish Shell is by Andrew Shillito, 3mm Society.

 

 

 

 

[DiveController]

Great job, Popeye! and thanks for even including the donors! What period are these modeled from? The Irish Shells earlier in the thread looked black (in a B&W photo, granted) like your Esso. Is your black Esso from that steam period and the silvers are a later livery albeit the same earlier period tanker with the steel tie-down cables over the top?

Are they transfers your own creation or available to purchase?

Thanks for posting. Kevin

[craven1508]

tasty! nicely done..

[Mayner]

Very tasty job on the tank wagons Patrick. The Bachmann model really lifted the standard for rtr tank wagons and a good candidate for limited run production for Irish Shell, Mc Mullen Brothers, Mex.

 

The silver tank barrel with horizontal red stripe or red solebars was an early form of hazmat marking applied to distinguish Type A tank wagons used carry petrol and other highly flammable liquids from the usually black Type B tank wagons used to carry heavy fuel oil and other flammable liquids.

 

The position of the red strip tended to vary between the centre of the barrel and solebars, silver gave way to light grey in the 60s. The type A & B tank wagons had different discharge arrangements petrol was basically siphoned out of a Type A tank wagon with U tube arrangement on top of the barrel, heavy fuel oil though a valve under a Type B tank wagon.

 

The Type A tank wagons tended to look cleaner than the Type B without the usual build up of grunge around the tank filler usually seen on wagons used to transport heavy fuel oil and bitumen

[Dhu Varren]

A couple of pictures I found in my collection.

 

My notes tell me this is Class A tank 2617 taken at Belfast.

 

 

My notes tell me this is Shell-Mex and BP Class B tank 271 taken at Adelaide.

 

[Weshty]

Lovely, lovely job, great weathering and grime and gung. Well done

 

Me sees a new product line.......

[jhb171achill]

They'd almost need to be made pre-weathered, as a clean was was an impossibility!

[heirflick]

A couple of pictures I found in my collection.

 

My notes tell me this is Class A tank 2617 taken at Belfast.

 

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My notes tell me this is Shell-Mex and BP Class B tank 271 taken at Adelaide.

 

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great set of pics!

[Mayner]

New Irish Lines Vol 2. No 6 2001 http://newirishlines.org/archive-2/ includes an article by Chris Aspinwall & Alan O'Rourke on Irish private owner tank wagons the article includes photos and details of both Dublin & Belfast registered tank wagons but breaks off before the introduction of more modern wagons by Caltex and ESSO in the 1960s.

[DiveController]

Lovely, lovely job, great weathering and grime and gung. Well done

 

Me sees a new product line.......

 

RTR, pre-weathered?

[DiveController]

New Irish Lines Vol 2. No 6 2001 http://newirishlines.org/archive-2/ includes an article by Chris Aspinwall & Alan O'Rourke on Irish private owner tank wagons the article includes photos and details of both Dublin & Belfast registered tank wagons but breaks off before the introduction of more modern wagons by Caltex and ESSO in the 1960s.

 

Thanks, John:tumbsup:

[DiveController]

great set of pics!

Nice shots David, Downloading these:cheers:

[popeye]

here is a pic of a Dapol class B oil tank wagon that i have just finished. Also two pic's of the real thing.

 

 

 

[DiveController]

Great article, John!

[DiveController]

Nice work, Popeye. Very similar to 988. 1001 look alike it has a different support/saddle for the tank

[Mayner]

The ESSO Teo tank wagons appear to have been imported from the UK in the late 60s most were Class B which had a longer tank barrel than the Dapol model though a few Type B appear to have been imported.

 

The fillet between the tank and chassis was a feature of most CIE tank wagons built/introduced in the 1970s, eventually applied to the ESSO tank cars.

 

Its fairly simple to convert the Dapol kit to a Type A by splicing sections from another kit on to each end of the barrel and sanding smooth.

 

 

 

Its probably better to look out for un-built Airfix kits of these wagons on e-bay than attempt to build the current Dapol version. Its difficult to build a chassis that runs well as the solebars of the Dapol version tend to warp and twist, combination of being wrapped in a bag and the soapy nature of the plastic.