Jawfin Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Hey, I've been told (from a multitude of sources) that CC1's frames were filled with cement or something and used as a bridge on a golf course. Can anyone shed any light (presuming it's true!), like if the bridge is still there or what golf course it's on? Quote
Horsetan Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 There was a photo that I saw on the old Photopic site showing the underframes and bogies hanging around the back of Inchicore in about 1975, but they may not have survived for much longer after that. Quote
Garfield Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Heard that story a few times before from various people, but none could provide further info, so it's possible it's nothing more than a myth. Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 Heard the same story. No-one can provide a pic of this bridge, or info as to where it is. Still, it's not as far fetched as derailed locos ending up in Irish bogs that were never recovered, still waiting to be dug up. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I'm pretty certain, from what I heard around Inchicore in the late 70s / early 80s, that it was scrapped on site there. Bogies, chassis, the lot. Shame, though... Quote
DERAILED Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 That story's been doing the rounds for decades - Woodbrook was mentioned but I can't see where it would have gone. In other news the IRRS preserved the whistle!! Quote
Maitland Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I thought everyone knew that CC1 was regauged to standard and sent to England to join the strategic reserve... Quote
Jawfin Posted January 20, 2014 Author Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks, lads. I was asking on behalf of a friend (honest!) I apologise for my ignorance Quote
Glenderg Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 I thought everyone knew that CC1 was regauged to standard and sent to England to join the strategic reserve... Hiding out in Box Tunnel then, eh? Most interesting..... Quote
Southern Yard Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 In colour with yellow strips! Not certain who owns this photo but saw it on the www. Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There was another tale, in the Turfburner book, don't know if there's anything to back it up....that CIE were mulling over the purchase of the frames for the unfinished Leaders... Quote
Horsetan Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 There was another tale, in the Turfburner book, don't know if there's anything to back it up....that CIE were mulling over the purchase of the frames for the unfinished Leaders... An idea quickly dropped. Quote
scahalane Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Heard the same story. No-one can provide a pic of this bridge, or info as to where it is.Still, it's not as far fetched as derailed locos ending up in Irish bogs that were never recovered, still waiting to be dug up. Not so far fetched, there's a 0-6-2T from the old Cork Macroom line buried along the N40 somewhere near the Sarsfield roundabout. It went off the rails into a bog and couldn't be lifted so was left there. One of its protruding wheels could still be seen in the 60's and was photographed by Joe St. Ledger. Calls to have it lifted during the recent road upgrade work fell on deaf ears! Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) There was only one 0-6-2T, the Barclay one, it didn't make it into CIE days...withdrawn sometime around '35 I think. http://www.spellerweb.net/rhindex/Ireland/GreatSouthern/MacroomLoco.jpg Sounds too good to be true, I don't doubt JSL took a pic of a wheel, would love to see it, but was the wheel attached to anything? Or just lineside debris? There was a similar story told in the uk, derailment...loco couldn't be recovered and left be and a chimney protruding out of the ground was pointed to as hard evidence that the loco was still there...but the chimney wasn't attached to anything. It had broken off and was left there after the loco was recovered. A loco, even as scrap, is worth big money. I don't see how a railway company would just leave something that valuable even if it had to be cut up in pieces and carted out by hand. There was one well-known case of a Furness loco that fell into a large hole and that is still there, there is written proof the company just filled in the hole after it exhausted all options at getting it out. Maybe this is worth a thread in its own right. Edited January 21, 2014 by minister_for_hardship Quote
scahalane Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 My info came from a presentation given at one of the IRRS talks, so I'll try and contact the gent who gave the presentation and see if I can get more info. Sorry for going off topic perhaps as said this should have its own thread. Quote
Horsetan Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Not so far fetched, there's a 0-6-2T from the old Cork Macroom line buried along the N40 somewhere near the Sarsfield roundabout. It went off the rails into a bog and couldn't be lifted so was left there. One of its protruding wheels could still be seen in the 60's and was photographed by Joe St. Ledger. Calls to have it lifted during the recent road upgrade work fell on deaf ears! Are there any disturbed patches of ground visible on Google Earth? Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) That stretch of road was built after the West Cork closed, maybe mid-late 60s completed. Hell of a lot of suburbs and industrial units have been built in the area and landscaping done since. Plus there were flyovers built around the Sarsfield roundabout recently, covering even more of the area with asphalt. Assuming there is 'something' buried thereabouts, you would want to narrow the search area down first, else it's just needle in a haystack territory. Let's just say if (and it's a big IF) a loco was lost in the area, there should be supporting evidence...correspondance by the GSR relating to the incident, possibly a newspaper report and photos taken. Edited January 21, 2014 by minister_for_hardship Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I've done a lot of delving through GSR boardroom minute books over the years and while I most certainly have by no means come across all material on all incidents, this one remains elusive to me! Given the cash strapped nature of the GSR, I think it's highly unlikely a whole loco was left there. Maybe bits of it? In any event, I'd be interested to know if there actually is any mileage in this... Quote
scahalane Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 I'm waiting on a phone call back from the gent who gave the talk on the Macroom line, so when I get all the facts I'll report. Quote
leslie10646 Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 Well, I haven't heard the story about the frames, but I have met the guy who really designed the Turf Burner. I told his story under the title "The Third Man" to the RPSI in Belfast about five years ago. As it was only a half evening talk, but I could fill an evening with my modelling talk - all that's needed is for someone to pay my fare to Ireland! By the way, the single-ended Turf Burner shown in Ernie Shepherd's book was drawn by "My Man". Anyone for a model TB? There are quite a few Leaders around on Southern layouts over here, the only model TB I know of was, I think, on Cyril Fry's railway? Leslie Quote
Garfield Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 There's also a model of CC1 on Adavoyle (or at least, there was when it was shown at the SDMRC exhibition a few years back)... Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 That story's been doing the rounds for decades - Woodbrook was mentioned but I can't see where it would have gone. In other news the IRRS preserved the whistle!! Is this a bog standard loco whistle, or did the TB have a special 'voice' I wonder? Quote
Horsetan Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 There's also a model of CC1 on Adavoyle (or at least, there was when it was shown at the SDMRC exhibition a few years back)... There certainly was. I drove it at the Chatham Show in 2002. Quote
BosKonay Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Slight segue but I'm following this build http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1198/entry-11019-falling-behind-a-leader-story-pt1/ Quote
Warbonnet Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Slight segue but I'm following this build http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1198/entry-11019-falling-behind-a-leader-story-pt1/ Gotta love the leader! There was talk of some crowd commissioning Dapol to do a RTR version but I believe it collapsed. Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Leslie Have an O Gauge one somewhere, I will dig up some pics later In the meantime OO will have to do Quote
heirflick Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 will you ever get around to painting her Dave? Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted January 29, 2014 Posted January 29, 2014 Seamus The plan is/was to have her polished by a jeweller and left in as is condition Have an O gauge one somewhere, which is painted I'll post a pic if I ever find it! Quote
leslie10646 Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 SeamusThe plan is/was to have her polished by a jeweller and left in as is condition Have an O gauge one somewhere, which is painted I'll post a pic if I ever find it! Dave, That's a very nice model and I can understand why you'd want to leave it in brass. When I had my Class AL built recently, I asked the builder to take a works photo for me (ie, as finished, but before painting). To my amazement, he asked me if I'd like it painted in grey, as per the works photos of old, which decorate so many books on locos. Etched brass locos look lovely in their before painting style - Alan's model of a NCC "Whippet" which is somewhere on this site shows just how nice! Thanks for letting us see CC1. Leslie Quote
jhb171achill Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 It ended up in green, though early pics of it look greyish. The serrated edged stripes on the ends were pale yellow, and the lettering / numeral probably was too. Quote
minister_for_hardship Posted February 5, 2014 Posted February 5, 2014 It ended up in green, though early pics of it look greyish. The serrated edged stripes on the ends were pale yellow, and the lettering / numeral probably was too. The wavy 'wasp stripes' looked eau de nil to me, same colour as body stripe and number. The grey looks to be in the same ballpark as GSR battleship grey. Quote
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