New RTR model Santa List!

[jhb171achill]

Here are a couple to start; if anything RTR is needed, it's these.....

 

 

 

 

These pictures were taken in March 1976. The "H" van with the "flying snail" (and modellers note, post-1960 or so it should be a stencil on goods stock, not a "solid" snail) was in the Crossmolina Siding in Ballina. The other two were in Heuston, more or less parked in the car park opposite the IRRS premises now!

[DiveController]

JHB, what's a H van? Heard it used many times on here but not sure exactly what distinguishes it..........

[jhb171achill]

CIE used letters to denote various types of goods stock, DiveController. The standard pattern steel-framed, wooden-bodied vans produced in large numbers in the fifties and early sixties were those shown above, which were designated as design "H". They replaced hundreds of older goods vans from CIE constituent companies and the GNR, and along with the "Pallet Vans" constituted almost the entire van fleet by 1970. If you look to the left of "H" van 18102 above, you'll see a brown "palvan" beside it.

 

It is quite simply impossible to model the CIE goods scene in the 60s and 70s without large numbers of these standard vans in all goods trains. It's like trying to model the Supertrain era without any Mk. 2 coaches, or "A", 141 or 071 class locos.

[DiveController]

CIE used letters to denote various types of goods stock, DiveController. The standard pattern steel-framed, wooden-bodied vans produced in large numbers in the fifties and early sixties were those shown above, which were designated as design "H". They replaced hundreds of older goods vans from CIE constituent companies and the GNR, and along with the "Pallet Vans" constituted almost the entire van fleet by 1970. If you look to the left of "H" van 18102 above, you'll see a brown "palvan" beside it.

 

It is quite simply impossible to model the CIE goods scene in the 60s and 70s without large numbers of these standard vans in all goods trains. It's like trying to model the Supertrain era without any Mk. 2 coaches, or "A", 141 or 071 class locos.

 

Understood. Thanks very much:tumbsup:

Actually I have a number of the grey Dapol wagons with snails and some of the old Lima and Hornby CIE broken wheel wagons. Not sure how prototypical they are of anything. Trip to the resource section needed I think:)

[DiveController]

Here are a couple to start; if anything RTR is needed, it's these.....

 

These pictures were taken in March 1976. The "H" van with the "flying snail" (and modellers note, post-1960 or so it should be a stencil on goods stock, not a "solid" snail) was in the Crossmolina Siding in Ballina. The other two were in Heuston, more or less parked in the car park opposite the IRRS premises now!

 

Yes, these would all sell in large numbers if they were produced rtr at any reasonable cost

Edited February 4, 2015 by DiveController

[Noel]

Those two would be nice alright as RTR. However not sure if they would sell in large numbers due to market size. Put 10-15 similarish looking bachmann open wagons or brown vans behind a black 141 or A class and it can look a very respectable 1960s Irish goods train. The key is the loco and the brake vans. Only one UK brake van type resembled the layout of the CIE 20/30 ton ones. Price is an issue because it's easy to put Cie decals and weather Bachmann/Hornby RTR wagons for what I'd guess would be half the cost of specialist RTR wagons. Few will pay more than the €12-18 it currently costs to buy quality RTR wagons from those two stables and certainly very few would pay €30+ for specialist wagons. The first photo however is the one RTR open corregated wagon I would love to have a few rakes of, but not at €30+ each. It's easy to make closed vans look very like CIE stock but not so these corregated wagons that dominated Irish rails. During the 60s and early 70s very time you pulled into a station in a passenger train, these wagons were either in the sidings or in the passing loop being overtaken by the passenger train.

[rebelred]

I'd like to see both bogie & bubble cement wagons but would love to see some Cu na Mara Mark 3's even though they wouldn't be the most popular model i would think!

Edited February 4, 2015 by rebelred

[Weshty]

I take it a decal sheet of snails, cie logos and specific H van numbers would go down well then?

 

The H van is quite distinct from the corrugated end pallet van, with its metal strapping, bolt, rivets and plywood all round. Worth looking at...

[jhb171achill]

Weshty, email me on that....

[Riversuir226]

Bogie cements & fertiliser bogie wagons would be top of my want list

[patrick]

I take it a decal sheet of snails, cie logos and specific H van numbers would go down well then?

 

 

 

Yes! Along with numbers for ex GN 12 ton vans and palvans.

[roxyguy]

This in RTR with some suitable rolling stock would be a nice christmas present.

[Weshty]

This in RTR with some suitable rolling stock would be a nice christmas present.[ATTACH=CONFIG]17124[/ATTACH]

 

Can't do the RTR, but she's available along with all her Bredin coaches

[Wexford70]

I'd like to see both bogie & bubble cement wagons but would love to see some Cu na Mara Mark 3's even though they wouldn't be the most popular model i would think!

 

I would love to see bubble cement vans and beet vans done in sets of five or more, perhaps including a guards van appropriate to era / livery.

 

A set of prototypical log wagons would also be great.

 

Would anyone be interested in trying to commission these from Hattons or directly from Bachmann or has this been tried?

[Blaine]

 

Would anyone be interested in trying to commission these from Hattons or directly from Bachmann or has this been tried?

 

How much money do you have, you might need to remortgage your house....

[DiveController]

This in RTR with some suitable rolling stock would be a nice christmas present.[ATTACH=CONFIG]17124[/ATTACH]

Put me down for three....

 

Can't do the RTR, but she's available along with all her Bredin coaches

The kit looks great but too complex for me having never done brass. The cost of someone doing it for me was multiples of the cost of the item, again since there's probably a fair amount of work involved. Beautiful when she's done though

Edited February 4, 2015 by DiveController

[roxyguy]

Put me down for three....

 

 

The kit looks great but too complex for me having never done brass. The cost of someone doing it for me was multiples of the cost of the item, again since there's probably a fair amount of work involved. Beautiful when she's done though

 

My skill level is very low, I've often thought about have a go a repainting one of these though

[burnthebox]

My skill level is very low, I've often thought about have a go a repainting one of these though[ATTACH=CONFIG]17151[/ATTACH]

Go ahead roxyguy & reprint it, what's the worst that the outcome would be, as everyone on here know's I'm all for rtr, & the more the better, for me if look's anything like the prototype, then for me it'll do, despite the fact that we have some really fantastic rtr MM models, they are in a very small number, & don't mention the elephant in the room, there was talk on another tread about the "H" van & others which is just another indication of what could be done,

[WRENNEIRE]

[roxyguy]

 

WOW. They look impressive. I see the old airfix/mainline ones going cheap on ebay? are they decent runners???

[jhb171achill]

Wow!!!!!!!!

 

Think how space-age they must have looked when new in an Inchicore populated 100% by plain grey, unlined, unnamed locomotives of all shapes and sizes.....

[BosKonay]

Absolute stunners Wrenn! Are they from the kit or repaints?

[roxyguy]

I'm going slightly off topic now, can anyone furnish me with a livery guide for these? did they always run in green? Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere.

 

They would look savage in black aswell I reckon.

[Mike 84C]

Guys, did I read a short while ago that one of our group had located a supply of snifting valves for a Woolich Mogul? I have two that I would like to fit some on, I tried the search with no result!

[Mike 84C]

Very tasty Wrenneire, did you modify the cab or is that a rebuilt Scot/Patriot?

[minister_for_hardship]

I'm going slightly off topic now, can anyone furnish me with a livery guide for these? did they always run in green? Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere.

 

They would look savage in black aswell I reckon.

 

The 800's never carried anything other than lined green in service. There are a few pics floating about with 800 in lined 'works grey' and white painted tyres for getting its official photo taken.

[roxyguy]

The 800's never carried anything other than lined green in service. There are a few pics floating about with 800 in lined 'works grey' and white painted tyres for getting its official photo taken.

 

Thank you. Quite tempted to have a go at a repaint now.

[jhb171achill]

When built, they carried a shade of green not unlike that on the RPSI's 461 now - it was described as "mid-green" with frames etc, and wheels, all green. Lining was black and yellow, and number and name plates polished rims and numerals on dark blue backgrounds, as on 800 in Cultra.

 

The tender had the letters "G S" in cream, with the full colour GSR crest mounted between them.

 

When CIE took over, they received standard CIE green, as can now be seen on 800, in fact the paint job on it is authentic, having been done in Inchicore before it left CIE ownership; thus, obviously, the black and white CIE lining is authentic!

 

CIE replaced the GS and crest with a standard gold-lined, light green "flying snail". They repainted the backgrounds on the numberplates from blue to red on 801 and 802, but not 800, which remained blue until withdrawal.

 

Modellers beware: 800 as it is in Cultra has CIE livery, but G S on the tender instead of a "snail". The UFTM put that there. If it was to be in GSR livery, the green would be lighter and more blueish tinted, and the lining would be yellow and black.

[roxyguy]

When built, they carried a shade of green not unlike that on the RPSI's 461 now - it was described as "mid-green" with frames etc, and wheels, all green. Lining was black and yellow, and number and name plates polished rims and numerals on dark blue backgrounds, as on 800 in Cultra.

 

The tender had the letters "G S" in cream, with the full colour GSR crest mounted between them.

 

When CIE took over, they received standard CIE green, as can now be seen on 800, in fact the paint job on it is authentic, having been done in Inchicore before it left CIE ownership; thus, obviously, the black and white CIE lining is authentic!

 

CIE replaced the GS and crest with a standard gold-lined, light green "flying snail". They repainted the backgrounds on the numberplates from blue to red on 801 and 802, but not 800, which remained blue until withdrawal.

 

Modellers beware: 800 as it is in Cultra has CIE livery, but G S on the tender instead of a "snail". The UFTM put that there. If it was to be in GSR livery, the green would be lighter and more blueish tinted, and the lining would be yellow and black.

 

Thanks for that

[DiveController]

 

Dave, this is exactly the photo I was thinking of when I posted in #16. Are they Weshty's kits? I thought I read before they were commissioned