daryl43068 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Hi All, Been a member of the forum for a while, but thought I would share my first Irish project, a Mk1 GSV. The finished model will be of 3188, as like the model it lacks raised window frames. The model started of life as a Bachmann Mk1 BSK that I picked up second hand in my local model shop, To create the door, I cut out the door window area, and fitted it to the existing passenger window hole, (an idea copied from Popeye on here while researching GSVs, Thanks for that! ) The bodyside grille was created from Evergreen clapboard, and a thin styrene strip to create the dividing bar. I'm not 100% about it and may swap for an etched version, I've also started making the exhaust cover/ port on the roof, And the fuel(?) tank underneath. The steps are made from various styrene strips and angles, Thats all for now Cheers Daryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sulzer201 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Well done Daryl - I like the work and looking forward to seeing the new GV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricanemk1c Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yep it is a fuel tank underneath - looking forward to seeing more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Derry Road Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Well done Daryl, looking good, keep the pictures coming of your progress, TDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Looking fantastic, Daryl - very neat work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Great to see more lads bashing, hacking, and bending stock to their will! The clapboard will end up black, you'll be lucky to see the grooves in either brass or styrene, so I wouldn't stress. Good stuff Daryl. Richie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Thanks all for the positive comments! Really inspiring to do more, which I have done today. I've finished detailing the fuel tanks. And to fill in the windows I placed a bit of plasticard behind the windows... ... and filled in the holes with plasticard, reducing the amount of filler needed. The windows and doors have since had there first bit of filler applied. I've also added a pipe that sticks out the roof near the big vent, And removed all the end details bar the lamp brackets. In the next few days I will get round to the sanding down the filler and applying more where needed. Thanks again for the positive comments! Cheers Daryl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This shows how much can be done without spending a fortune. I'm enjoying following this.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Derry Road Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Daryl, I'm following your. Project with great interest. Well done thus far. TDR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 10, 2016 Author Share Posted March 10, 2016 Thanks for the comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Simple pleasures, with fine results so far. Will likewise look forward to seeing this develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike 84C Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Well done Daryl, turning inexpensive models into what you want them to be. Watching your posts with interest. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 Thanks again for all the positive comments! Been doing a bit more, Footsteps are now added under the 'new' door, from some styrene angle. The door will be scribed into the plastic once all the filling and sanding has been completed. Starting to get there! I've picked up some LMS suspended gangways today at a local model show. I will probably paint the end door orange first, fit the gangway, then mask the orange before painting the rest of the coach. I've fitted Replica Railway's B5 bogies to the model, with minimal surgery. Bogie wise, the coupling was removed, and on the coach, the bogie pivots drilled out to 4.8mm and some plastic removed to allow the bogie to clip in. I forgot to take pictures of that bit but if anyone is interested I can take some more to explain better. Bachmann do a B4 bogie, which is visually very similar to a B5 (the horizonal bar is thicker on a B5) but I personally like the 'beefy-ness' of Replica's bogie. I've also added the water filler pipe recesses on the bodysides, and a small hole drilled and wire inserted. Cheers! Daryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP6936 Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Tremendous work! You've really captured the look of these vehicles so far. Ok so maybe I'm being unrealistic, but given the level of detail you've put it into the exterior, you should give doing a basic interior a go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 12, 2016 Author Share Posted March 12, 2016 Cheers! I am on the hunt for interior photos, I think there is a water tank at each end, and an engine in the middle and a guard somewhere! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP6936 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 I'm a volunteer at DCDR and we have one of these vans in regular use. I'll sort you out with interior layout shots on thursday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 13, 2016 Author Share Posted March 13, 2016 Ooo thanks very much for that, top man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Excellent work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 13, 2016 Author Share Posted March 13, 2016 Thanks again chaps! The coach has been primed, nothing special just a rattle can from Halfords, to show any areas that need further work. Below shows some more filler is needed on the middle doors. The ends of the coach need some more filler in places. The lip above the gangway door is where the roof slots in, keeping the coach square. There is a slight gap, which I will fill best I can with some styrene strip. I wont be able to fully remove the join, as this would prevent access to inside the coach in the future. Cheers, Daryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Well done Daryl, With this type of modelling it's a case of filling & sanding, filling & sanding, filling .... Until you get a finish you are happy with. Keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 13, 2016 Author Share Posted March 13, 2016 Thanks Kirley, it can take a while to get a good finish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Here are 3 pic's i took at DCDR of the GSV, this might help with details & weathering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Thanks very much for them Popeye! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhu Varren Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 They certainly get around, these steam heat vans. I spotted one a couple of years ago at Boat of Garten on the Strathspey Railway in the North of Scotland, resplendent in IR tippex livery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 [ATTACH=CONFIG]23233[/ATTACH] What does Air/Vacuum Transfer mean on the TLA? Equipped to run with vacuum and airbraked stock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UP6936 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 That van is vacuum braked, but has through piping for air brakes. This stems from its days in use on the Cork Postal liner, which was formed of TPO and BR van, plus 60' air braked flats loaded with containers. The coaches were marshalled at the front, and the loco would have both air and vac brake connections hooked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 What does Air/Vacuum Transfer mean on the TLA? Equipped to run with vacuum and airbraked stock? On withdrawal from active passenger train services with IE GSV 3189 was used for a period for stock transfers between Heuston sidings and Inchicore, The GSV could haul empty Mk2 and Mk3 coaches to and from those locations for the purpose of exams or overhauls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 That van is vacuum braked, but has through piping for air brakes. This stems from its days in use on the Cork Postal liner, which was formed of TPO and BR van, plus 60' air braked flats loaded with containers. The coaches were marshalled at the front, and the loco would have both air and vac brake connections hooked up. Thanks for that, UP. Do you know roughly when that would have been? Obviously the TPO had to be through-piped also. Seems an odd arrangement, TPO and liner. On withdrawal from active passenger train services with IE GSV 3189 was used for a period for stock transfers between Heuston sidings and Inchicore,The GSV could haul empty Mk2 and Mk3 coaches to and from those locations for the purpose of exams or overhauls. That would make sense and I presume the sign was added to the side of the van at that time? Why would a brake have been required at all on an empty stock transfer? Was it capable/required to provide light/heat to the stock once at Inchicore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 That would make sense and I presume the sign was added to the side of the van at that time? Why would a brake have been required at all on an empty stock transfer? Was it capable/required to provide light/heat to the stock once at Inchicore? Yes the wording was added at that time, A brake was required due to the steep gradient between Heuston and Inchicore known as the gullet, No the GSV wasn't required to provide any power to any empty coaches at Inchicore. It was just used to provide brake force to the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Many thanks, Noel! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Hi All, Many thanks for the background information, always nice to know background knowledge about a project! Not been able to do much recently, but a trip to an automotive paint supplier today means I got some orange mixed into an aerosol can. It's RAL 2011, which is the shade used on the Mk3s, not sure if its the same shade on the GSV or not. I've tested a bit on my scrap coach I use for testing paint etc. Its applied to a white primer and is positioned next to a Murphy's Craven. It looks a tad bright to me, hopefully will tone down with a bit of weathering, unless I've got the wrong shade! And I do apologise for the terrible light. I should point out I'm modelling the coach around 2005, so the last few years of mainline service. In other business, the coach has been through various stages of filling and sanding, and should hopefully be ready for paintig in the not so distant future! Cheers Daryl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 White primer affects the colour of the top coat. I suggest always spraying onto grey primer when spraying your orange/tan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 That shade looks ok. If you give it a bit of thinned brown paint and take most of it off again it should dull it down a bit. The longer you leave the brown on the more it will stay on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daryl43068 Posted March 17, 2016 Author Share Posted March 17, 2016 White primer affects the colour of the top coat. I suggest always spraying onto grey primer when spraying your orange/tan. Cheers David, Fortunately my paint coach had some grey primer already on it, so this is the grey side, That shade looks ok. If you give it a bit of thinned brown paint and take most of it off again it should dull it down a bit.The longer you leave the brown on the more it will stay on. Thanks Popeye, I was planning a weathering wash. I have been looking at various pictures of Irish stock in the mid 2000s, and it seems every coach is different. The orange does pretty much match a Murphy 071. It must be one of those things, peoples interpretations, how the camera takes the picture, computer screen etc. Cheers Daryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hi Daryl, To be honest the shades of orange look completely different to me and heated discussions have occurred on the site before on this issue. While we seem to be agreed on 40 shades for green, orange seems to be a whole new sticking point. It seems clear that the various shades of orange on the prototypes changed with the livery but it has also been intimated that CIE/IR/IE may not have adhered religiously to a definite shade during any livery period. Notwithstanding the confounders that lighting and weathering of the prototype introduce, basically the test coach appears to be much closer to the Supertrain livery especially when faded/weathered that the much brighter IR livery which is what I think may on that Craven. In any case while the test coach seem to be nearer the flash there is a stark contrast between between the coaches. Remember that there are two orange shade of MM 071 class locomotive floating about as there was on the prototypes. The 071 has a duller more tan shade when originally delivered by GM as seen on MM0088 and the Supertrain was subsequently applied which was a more orange shade at least when new, represented on the MM locos as MM0086 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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