jhb171achill Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 Just thinking, Heirflick; when painted cream, rather than orange, I think (but can't be certain) that at least some had black chassis - I did see at least one with a standard brown chassis and cream bubble, but even at the time I remember thinking that this was an aberration.... The one and only class of wagon I can think of offhand which all, without fail, had black chassis, were the NCC "brown vans", throughout all their livery changes. The CIE "roundel" on grey bubbles was like on "H" vans - tan surround, white lettering. Other lettering was white. Orange "bubbles" had black writing and roundel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enniscorthyman Posted March 20, 2014 Share Posted March 20, 2014 The bubbles look great Kieran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Really impressive rake, I think the look far better reasonably clean than heavily weathered, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DartStation Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 JHB, I can confirm that I did see some cream bubbles with black chassis back in the day at Limerick Junction just fresh out of paint. Paul R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 24, 2014 Share Posted March 24, 2014 Paul - yes, I thought so! Thanks for clarifying. With black being unusual for any wagon chassis, it had stuck in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Jhb - i have some slides from Cabra in the 70's that show the original livery of gunsmoke blue/grey up top and black for the chassis. The wagons are so clean, they even have a brake van at the rear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Which type were those, Glenderg? I'd be very interested to see them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted March 25, 2014 Share Posted March 25, 2014 Not the best pic but the chassis is definitely black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 3, 2014 Author Share Posted April 3, 2014 A few years ago I picked up a two car Class 80 set and often wondered who built it? I tracked it back from the seller to someone on this site but neither knew who the Modeller was. When I saw 33Lima putting up his work of a Class 80 build on the Site I thought I had solved my puzzle but no, Ivor said it was not his work and also ruled out Shane McQuillan who did an article on a Class 80 build in Practical Model Railways in 1984, so the mystery continues. I had in the back of my mind to build a Trailer Standard coach for this set and spurred on by 33Lima's excellent post I decided to have a go. After a trawl in the dark recess of my roof space I came across three Hornby Mark II's and a Hornby BSK so I ended up starting a Trailer and a new three Car Set. I started on the two Trailers closely following 33Lima's work but my cutting is not as accurate. The most striking feature on these coaches is the centre doors with a wide space on either side before you come to windows. So I started there and worked my way out to the ends. Next came the Driving Trailer which has the same centre door spacing but a different window layout. I still have to do the end (driver's window) but need to let the glue in the sides set first before taking a slice off the coach end. I left the most difficult one to the end, the Power Car and am still working on the first side. 15 separate cuts were needed to get to this stage. Having a MIR Class 80 is a great help in working out distances. It's not going to be a quick project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Interesting, Wrenn... thanks for that. All three liveries carried by the "bubbles" were non standard. All, equally, got covered in cement dust, though recollection suggests that in "orange" days they tended to be a lot cleaner than latterly....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Great job so far on the 80 class, I wish I had the confidence to have a go, maybe sometime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 A few years ago I picked up a two car Class 80 set and often wondered who built it? I tracked it back from the seller to someone on this site but neither knew who the Modeller was. When I saw 33Lima putting up his work of a Class 80 build on the Site I thought I had solved my puzzle but no, Ivor said it was not his work and also ruled out Shane McQuillan who did an article on a Class 80 build in Practical Model Railways in 1984, so the mystery continues. I had in the back of my mind to build a Trailer Standard coach for this set and spurred on by 33Lima's excellent post I decided to have a go. After a trawl in the dark recess of my roof space I came across three Hornby Mark II's and a Hornby BSK so I ended up starting a Trailer and a new three Car Set. I started on the two Trailers closely following 33Lima's work but my cutting is not as accurate The most striking feature on these coaches is the centre doors with a wide space on either side before you come to windows. So I started there and worked my way out to the ends. Next came the Driving Trailer which has the same centre door spacing but a different window layout. I still have to do the end (driver's window) but need to let the glue in the sides set first before taking a slice off the coach end. I left the most difficult one to the end, the Power Car and am still working on the first side. 15 separate cuts were needed to get to this stage. Having a MIR Class 80 is a great help in working out distances. Kieran-great start with the 80 class build,looks like it is going to be a lot of hard work,but I am sure it will be worth it in the end. With regards your photo of the 2 car 80 class,I have a photo of what looks to be the same 80 class set from 2007.If I get a chance I will pm you the photo over the weekend and if you think they are one in the same then I would have a name for the builder of it.I dont know him personally,but ironically,he was from your neck of the woods-Bangor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 With regards your photo of the 2 car 80 class,I have a photo of what looks to be the same 80 class set from 2007.If I get a chance I will pm you the photo over the weekend and if you think they are one in the same then I would have a name for the builder of it.I dont know him personally,but ironically,he was from your neck of the woods-Bangor. Thanks Andy, it would be great to solve the mystery, looking forward to hearing from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 For some reason, most models of 80 class cars never seem to look quite right.... But there's the proof that there's an exception to every rule! Absolutely superb job.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Kieran Below please find a copy of the photo,dont think it worked on the pm message.I think it looks like the same set. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonybonneyba Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Kieran Below please find a copy of the photo,dont think it worked on the pm message.I think it looks like the same set. Andy [ATTACH=CONFIG]12740[/ATTACH] Awesome, where can I get 2 power cars? Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Thanks Andy for identifying the maker, I'll try and track him down, he seems to have been quite a prolific builder. Will let you know how I get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Awesome, where can I get 2 power cars? Tony. Your only chance to get a Power Car/ Driving Trailer or a 3 Car set is by building one, if you look at 33lima's excellent thread on building a Class 80 (see Workbench 2nd page) and follow his work, that's what I'm doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Lovely set - is it the same as this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Shot of two Class 80 intermediates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Lovely set - is it the same as this ?[ATTACH=CONFIG]12766[/ATTACH] Yes Stephen, they should be familiar to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 [ATTACH=CONFIG]12767[/ATTACH] Shot of two Class 80 intermediates Very nicely finished coaches but they don't have the Class 80 Intermediate centre doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did all the intermediates have doors? (looking at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunslet 102 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Did all the intermediates have doors? (looking at All the original intermediates for the 80 class had the middle doors,however,when the GMs took over the NIR Enterprise duties in1981 with a new batch of coaches,some of the original Enterprise coaches that ran behind the Hunslet's were converted to 80 class intermediates and these did not have the centre doors.The shots of the 2 class 80 intermediate coaches that you posted in your earlier post,while being well painted,are wrong as they only have 7 windows which were what the old first class coach had and these were not converted to run with the 80 class.The standard opens with 8 windows were the only type converted,a Lima SO second class coach can be picked up quite cheap and re painted to give an authentic intermediate coach from the early 80s onwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 The Class 80s all had centre doors on the intermediate trailers as delivered. I used to dislike sitting in those seats as you looked out through a little window in the door and a blank panel either side; also people getting in and out tripped over your feet...they were usually the last seats to fill, along with the middle seat in 3+2 layout. However, during their long life a number of ex "Enterprise" trailers ran with them and these did not have intermediate doors. By the time the NIR intercity livery was in use, some definitely ran in this configuration; no doubt someone will know the exact numbers of the sets/coaches but it is a VERY complicated business, as these formations were not really "permanent".. Colm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 At least its easier to track than the many variations of railcar intermediates and trailers, some one-offs, which ran with both UTA and CIE AEC sets, with 70 class cars, MPDs and MEDs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) Still working on my Power Car. Tried a dry fit on a Bachmann chassis. Edited April 6, 2014 by Kirley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Coming along really well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirley Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Work continues on the Class 80 set. The difficult nose section having a dry fitting. Hope I’ve got the angle right. The Driving Trailer and two Intermediate Trailers with fillers added and rough sanding completed. I'll do another sanding with wet & dry before the first primer coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Photos not showing up K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I can see them and I'm using google chrome on iPad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Go for the dearer package Richie, showing up bright & clear in D5 Nice work K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I can see 'em, too - and I'm further away.. ..and they're very nice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Ok, I can see them now. Flux capacitor wasn't plugged in. Very tidy work K. What's the plan with the windows? Brass overlays or leave them as is? R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enniscorthyman Posted April 9, 2014 Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Great effort Kieran,that front looks a fecker to get right. Edited April 9, 2014 by enniscorthyman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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