DJ Dangerous Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Dapol have an O Gauge Class 3F Jinty due out in UTA livery. Would this be an authentic UTA model, or is it just something similar repainted to look genuine? https://www.hattons.co.uk/448185/dapol_7s_026_008_class_3f_jinty_0_6_0t_19_in_uta_ulster_transport_authority_lined_black/stockdetail.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 It’s pretty genuine. They did exist ! Check out some of the Irish Railways in Colour albums. But it’s 4.75mm too narrow between the wheels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 There were two. The NCC used them to shunt Belfast docks and York Road yard. They never did anything else, though they were trialled on Carrickfergus passenger trains. One lasted into the early 1960s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Yes, Jon, I saw No.19 regularly at work in my early visits to York Road in 1961, but no mention of her after that - by 1962, 0-6-0 tender loco No.13 was acting as pilot engine. Comparing the picture on Hatton's website with a photo taken in 1962, they seem to have got the livery pretty well. A potential quick win for "O" Gauge folk? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Especially with a few Provincial Wagons brown vans put through the enlarging ray ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, leslie10646 said: Yes, Jon, I saw No.19 regularly at work in my early visits to York Road in 1961, but no mention of her after that - by 1962, 0-6-0 tender loco No.13 was acting as pilot engine. Comparing the picture on Hatton's website with a photo taken in 1962, they seem to have got the livery pretty well. A potential quick win for "O" Gauge folk? Yes, I believe she was withdrawn in 1963, though probably was stopped before that. Livery - in NCC times, unlined, plain black. In UTA times, the “roundel” device (she never got the later crest), with a red coupling rod and the attractive red and light beige UTA lining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airfixfan Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Correct 19 was lying stored in Maysfield Yard by early 1963.and its duties had effectively been replaced by the arrival of 27. Loco 18 had went by June 1956 and was the only loco built by Bagnall to operate in Ireland on the Broad Gauge. 18 was LMS 7456 and 19 LMS 7553 built by Hunslet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 So what O Gauge rolling stock would be passable with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) Depends how much compromise you can live with! RTR is rather limited to Dapol stock in this area - some generic looking BR box vans and open wagons are available but would be a compromise eg number of planks used in wagon sides. You’d really need to scratch build a brown van or two, otherwise it will look just like another BR layout.... Edited August 12, 2020 by Galteemore 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: So what O Gauge rolling stock would be passable with them? Mostly open wagons of coal from the quayside - ideal for a shunting-type layout. Also goods vans of ex-NCC and GNR origin, and of course one or two NCC “brown vans”. All loose-coupled, so a goods brake van obligatory. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 21 hours ago, Galteemore said: Especially with a few Provincial Wagons brown vans put through the enlarging ray ! Well, build the 00 kit, digitise it to CAD and 3D print it? Probably not thinking straight in this heat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Or get a friend with a 3D scanner and go straight to print ! Mind you, be almost as quick to knock one up from Plastikard.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Suitable(ish) rolling stock can be easily found through Slaters O gauge wagon kits. They have a number of MR and LMS vans (outside framed) along with open wagons, that could easily pass off without too much work. Paintwork could also make a big difference with plenty of browns/greys with patches of paint work covering old lettering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) Absolutely Nelson - I’d stuck to RTR suggestions.....Slaters’ kits are quite straightforward to make and unsurprisingly some of their old Midland stuff has a vaguely old style NCC look about them. I made one a few years ago as my first 7mm kit. Do make the chassis up on an old mirror or glass cutting mat though or it may rock about. Don’t ask how I know.....and sorry about the black running gear. I didn’t know any better ! Edited August 12, 2020 by Galteemore 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 We're OK with many CIE models now for good stock - but the NCC & UTA have always been neglected! Like CIE or the GNR, British parallels are few and far between. Most open wagons are fine - if not perfect - but cattle trucks and goods vans are different - and brake vans are totally different. Scratch building for "0" gauge, I suspect, is really the only option for much goods stock. But a shunting layout won't need much of it - half a dozen or 8 wagons, one brake van, and a "Jinty"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 The Slater's tank wagon appears to be pretty accurate for 'over the water', while Alphagraphix card kits can get you started for other wagons. At £3 or so, plus £10 for a chassis and another tenner for wheels, they are good value, or do what I do and use the card kit as a drawing/template to build the model from plastic. Bodywork is pennies - chassis and running gear costs the money in this scale! Dare I say, the recent Scalescenes micro layout download, as outlined by Ken in that section would make an ideal project to start off in 7mm scale. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted July 7, 2022 Author Share Posted July 7, 2022 Two years later, it looks like these will be out soon! https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/1000590/1000640/1000833/dapol_o_gauge_1_43_scale_steam_locos_northern_ireland/sceneprodlist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted July 7, 2022 Share Posted July 7, 2022 2 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said: Two years later, it looks like these will be out soon! https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/1000590/1000640/1000833/dapol_o_gauge_1_43_scale_steam_locos_northern_ireland/sceneprodlist Now we need NCC wagons to go with them - and virtually nothing of any other company, especially across the pond RTR stuff, looks remotely like NCC goods stock, with a tiny few exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius43 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Arrived today The thing is, I model in OO gauge It is rather nice, though, Cheers Darius 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It is nice for sure. Smokebox hand rail seems to be missing? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It's got great detail and it would look good on display in a cabinet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius43 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Georgeconna said: It is nice for sure. Smokebox hand rail seems to be missing? So it was. Couldn’t find it in the box so I made a replacement. Cheers Darius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Hey Prest! Weird there no darts on these Doors, Looks Stange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius43 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Agreed, does look odd. Cheers Darius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) I think the lack of a smokebox numberplate and shedplate just makes it stand out that bit more than on the GB examples. Edited October 3, 2022 by Galteemore 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Why, oh why does every model made in UTA livery have to have yellow lining? It's supposed be be red and "straw" - a light beige colour, not yellow................ Mind you, it IS a beauty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 JB You must remember that most blokes are a bit colour blind, so it looks OK to me ( and I’ve seen the real thing!!!!). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, leslie10646 said: JB You must remember that most blokes are a bit colour blind, so it looks OK to me ( and I’ve seen the real thing!!!!). So have I, but it ain't right! Nothing a bit of weathering won't cure, anyway............! Edited October 3, 2022 by jhb171achill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 It’s hard to believe that there’s a market for an O gauge model from NI when relatively few RTR models have been released in OO. Nice model though I have no track to put it on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, DiveController said: It’s hard to believe that there’s a market for an O gauge model from NI when relatively few RTR models have been released in OO. Nice model though I have no track to put it on Well thankfully, not much has to be done to get an LMS jinty looking like an NCC one no need for all this big horrah about new toolings for small markets And if JB is to be believed….there research wasn’t even thorough enough to get the correct colour of lining 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said: Well thankfully, not much has to be done to get an LMS jinty looking like an NCC one no need for all this big horrah about new toolings for small markets And if JB is to be believed….there research wasn’t even thorough enough to get the correct colour of lining I'd stake me IRM "A"s on it. Saw them daily, and I know where an actual example can STILL be seen..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said: ....not much has to be done to get an LMS jinty looking like an NCC one .... Just needs the driving wheel centres to be reversed and tyres reseated for 36.75mm gauge...... 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 7 hours ago, jhb171achill said: and I know where an actual example can STILL be seen..... So…where is the secret barn you’ve been hiding your 5’3 Jinty under straw bales for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Given that 9 are still in existence on the big island, never say never - it’s still feasible to rerun the conversion! Fairly useful little loco for preservation - and allegedly capable of 60mph. Although I think that the Irish preservation movement has quite enough on its hands already ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said: So…where is the secret barn you’ve been hiding your 5’3 Jinty under straw bales for years. Now THAT would be telling! When the RPSI’s No. 4 was last being repainted, traces of the UTA lining could be seen when rubbed down, plus, if you look at the erstwhile Royal Saloon in Downpatrick, one end remains in original UTA green, with traces of the lining colours on it.same colours on coach lining, though different style. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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