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It look like a Eurostar, the profile and nose is obviously wrong, some absent windows/doors but in the grand scheme of things it would work fine with some matching coaches to finish a rake. Bit modern for me, no real interest in it but yeah

Don't go there for fear of offending some on the site .....

Really love the maroon GSR (crimson lake too) with the bilingual destination boards. Pure Irish class!

Maybe someone with access to Cultra might oblige?

@Warbonnet Fran, May I politely request your immediate attention to emails sent regarding a 'delivered' shipment that has not been received please? #4611 Thanks K

Oh yeah! bigger all right, 4% of the world's population and 25% of the worldwide COVID19 cases (and deaths) with no end in sight

The 1970s I would guess as most of the modified windows appear to be on super train or later livery. I presume this was just a midlife refurb or was it intended to upgrade equipment for CAWS etc. ? It don't see MU sockets on anything earlier than ST livery, the only BnT running in multiple seem to be either ST-ST (or later) or ST-still in BnT livery coupled together EDIT: Now both MM0125 and MM0131 in BnT livery on the IRM site claim to have MU sockets present (I know this is an outline and hasn't been fully updated with picture and checked for accuracy yet)

I think you're right about the 141 window. I don't know what you mean about refurbished but 126, 128, 129, 130, 133 had it also, it's not a one off

Sent you a PM @mphoey

Hi Mike, you should probably put up a picture of the cravens you have or the number and just confirm it has the double white stripe. The IE log began to be applied in 1994 onward to the 071 class locos

I'd be fine with an rtr coach at Eur80 upfront if good quality niche models could be supplied that way, 2999 to go...

The EMD SD60M weights 167 metric tonnes

Yes, I think you're right. Some of the IR version had a narrower center window , a spare from something that I don't recall. I not sure if there was a reason that the center window in particular needed replacement. Something will remind us I'm sure

Good spot. I was just trying to put up the basics quickly to help him 'til the lads get some info on the site. Now I'll have to go and find a shot of the smaller window on the 121. You're killing me flange EDIT; OK, so here narrow center window on 134 much later in IE livery. Didn't they arrive with the narrower window and was this larger one substituted on some of the locos only?

@RKX Technically, CIE having been formed in 1945 , all liveries of the 121 delivered in 1961 would be CIE. The original yellow and grey livery initially had a flying snail, no handrails, side vent on the body, tablet snatcher etc and this was placed in stages several year later by the Black n Tan livery some of which had handrails or none as they were gradually added. After 1972 the super train livery began to appear on the loco gradually as they were serviced/overhauled over the years following. Grey & yellow usually ran singly whereas (sometimes) BnT & superrtain would run in multiple with each other or 141s Supertrain livery in consist with side handrails, side vent between the 129s over the bogies, body vents on the engines covers, hand rails, tablet snatchers still in place , original small marker lights (replaced in the 2000s with LEDS) window on the 'back' overlooking the bonnet side of the cab) still in existence Photo Jeremy Chapter Flickr BnT livery, no side handrails on B127 (yet) most other things per the loco above except this this has sand filler boxes on the 'rear' of the bonnet (nearest that coach) that were removed at various times (not on ST livery above) Brian Flannigan Flickr (1971) 122 in ST 1987 (just before IR livery introduced) Neil Smith on Flickr

It's official designation is a 0-4-4 BT (back tank, which is very rare, I don't know of any others personally) as they water tank was at the base and rear of the loco cab.

An you'll need a few shabtis to help you run your railway in the underworld

I agree with you that the closeness and black couplings look better and highlight the brown hook nicely. I ordered some of the IRM cosmetic couplings with my Keg liner. I wonder if they could be added in brown to improve the illusion. Unfortunately they left Peterborough 13 days ago but only left Heathrow last night, what they were doin with them I have no idea! Any way, I'm going to give see how they work. I though some of the rakes had a close coupling bar (again in brown but that could be blackened also)

George, at the end of the day this is a hobby and much as we all love it, I'd trade my entire collection for my little one if push came to shove. I'm glad you got a good price for the loco which softens the blow a little, I hope. Stay safe, K

Some of us are banned from visiting the EU at the moment, so ditto

George, I think I'll send you a spare 143 to offload for me!. Make sure the excess proceeds to to a life preserver for the kayaker

True, that's what I've been saying. The only way you'd do this is if the tooling is owned, available, still intact enough for an additional more limited run. But if what Wrenneire is saying above is correct your loco might still be expensive for a loco that might not quite be as cutting edge as the A class or 121 and comparisons WILL be made

Maybe someday, yes I agree. It's hard to gauge future demand although thankfully greater availability of any model creates its own demand as I have said before. The question would be whether production would be economically viable and whether the loco would have competition. If 141s became available in the morning I probably would not rush to buy them if I had to compromise on what else I had to purchase... 17 A class variant liveries to choose from and a dozen 121 class would be way higher on my list. Easy for me to say I have sufficient 141/181s which took me quite a while to acquire second hand after they had 'sold out' many years before. Would I like to see a new 'second generation' 141 with lights sound, speakers better access while retaining all the fine running characteristics, .. sure! Say they were available, but there was also CIE/GNR railcar several liveries, possibly intermediates coaches, some laminates, PRs, maybe rtr GSR/CIE steam loco, I still hold off on a new batch of 141s unless funds were unlimited. Now, there are others out there that may have just come to Irish modeling even more recently that don't even have a single 141 and would like a bunch. When the original 141s were produced there much less rtr 'competition' out there. I don't think that is the case in the golden era of Irish modelling. Anyway, production is way above my pay grade, so as you say, I'll leave it to MM, IRM and others to figure all that out. Anyone else who wants to jump into the market, sure, go ahead if you've done your research i say

I have one and its always good to have things with peculiar loads like the planks. @leslie10646 Meant to get a 10T GSWR brake at the time also. Any kits left? PM me

Just to be clear, I'm not saying at all that the 141 are not excellent locos. I have all of them and some renumbered for my era but this thread is about doing a rerun of the 141 /181 in particular, and whether that might be a viable proposition or not at some point is the subject that Mark was broaching