Murphy Models new 201 and Mk3 coaches

[GSR 800]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

If we've learned one thing from all manufacturers its that new models will arrive only when they arrive, not when promised, but they invariably are always worth the wait. We have been utterly spoilt for choice these past 10 years between Murphy Models, Irish Railway Models, Silverfox models, Irish Freight Models, MIR, SSM, Provincial Wagons, OO Works, D&M, etc. 30 years ago there was not one single scale model of an Irish loco nor one piece of rolling stock. The world changed when Patrick Murphy teamed up with Bachmann to produce the 141/181 class baby GMs around 2007, and its been nothing but progress since. We have an abundance of quality Irish rolling stock and locos from 1955 to 2021. Thank Goodness nobody has yet contemplated producing toy 22k yo-yo DMUs (ie literally pointless train operations). 

To each their own and all that like...

[Westcorkrailway]

36 minutes ago, railfan222 said:

Is Boskonay one of the team members at IRM?

 

Will Paddy Murphy really be releasing models of Cravens again and the BR Van/GSV?

 

Yes he is 

it’s a maybe on the cravens if he thinks the demand is there (that’s what he said in the initial announcement), I think no BR vans

44 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Would you really say no to an AEC 2600 set in B&T Noel?

GNR, UTA, CIE green and CIE Black n tan. A nice variety of liveries, on those AEC sets. The only issue is the rolling stock isint there yet for if you wanted an intermediate coach 

[DJ Dangerous]

52 minutes ago, railfan222 said:

Is Boskonay one of the team members at IRM?

 

Will Paddy Murphy really be releasing models of Cravens again and the BR Van/GSV?

 

Regards Kian.

Yes, Boskonay is one of them, so be careful what you write or you'll be blacklisted by IRM... Do not sell to this guy!

Regarding Cravens, the opening post in this thread reads as follows:

On 1/3/2021 at 2:01 PM, mphoey said:

just got this from facebook if its genuine which i believe its going to be great for us

Great news from Paddy Murphy !!

 

201 Class locomotives

There will be short production runs of the 201 Class locomotive in three different liveries. These will be the most recent Enterprise livery, the interim Black & Silver 'Raccoon' livery and the Intercity green/silver livery with the current IE logo. Exact schedule is not available at present but it is hoped late 2021/first half 2022. Because of the small quantities involved, these will be allocated to model shops on a fair Pro-rata basis.

Mk2d Air-conditioned stock

The next release of these coaches will be produced in IR livery. Versions will be Full First, Composite, Standard, Restaurant and EGV. In addition, to complement the existing EGV and Restaurant stock, Standard class coaches in the 'Galway' livery will also be produced. Minor adjustments will be made to existing tooling where necessary. Similar schedule to Class 201.

Mk3 stock

It is over 20 years ago since Murphy Models last produced ready to run Irish Mk3 stock. It is planned to release a brand-new range of CIE, IR and IE Mk3 coaches featuring all new tooling incorporating all the unique features of the Irish Mk3. This will include items such as plug doors. Proposed versions across the liveries will be- EGV, First, Composite, City-Gold, Restaurant, Standard and Executive.

It is also planned to produce the suburban version of the Mk3 with the hopper windows as well as the push-pull driving trailer.

Craven

I am also considering a new production of Craven coaches. This is subject to there being enough interest to make such a project economically viable.

So yes, Cravens would seem to be in consideration.

The chronological order has not yet been released, but I'd suspect that Mk2D coaches will be the first of thecoach releases, as they were a definite in the OP, and do not require tooling from the ground up like the Mk3's.

IRM have raised the bar with their Mk2 B/C range, so Murphy Models will probably be tweaking the future products a little, but that's only heresay, not fact.

[JasonB]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Thank Goodness nobody has yet contemplated producing toy 22k yo-yo DMUs (ie literally pointless train operations). 

What's the issue if one was produced? Some like them, most probably don't. As with all things Noel, if you don't like something, you don't have to buy it. 

I have all of the Spice Girls albums. Again, some like them, most probably don't. 

Edit: Ignore the above. I wasn't supposed to admit to that. 

[DJ Dangerous]

13 minutes ago, JasonB said:

I have all of the Spice Girls albums. Again, some like them, most probably don't.

Wow, you and Noel have something in common!

Not me, I was more of a Girls Aloud fan. They were the 22000's of the pop girl bands...

Can't wait for a RTR 22000 to go with my 29000's!

 

[JasonB]

6 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Wow, you and Noel have something in common!

How dare you even suggest that, Dave. Me and you are going to have a falling out. 

[murphaph]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Not me, I was more of a Girls Aloud fan. They were the 22000's of the pop girl bands...

Surely T-ara take that honour given the origin of these units 

[RedRich]

1 hour ago, JasonB said:

How dare you even suggest that, Dave. Me and you are going to have a falling out. 

FFS Jason please tell me you aren't wearing Mrs B's skirt.

[warb]

3 hours ago, Noel said:

If we've learned one thing from all manufacturers its that new models will arrive only when they arrive, not when promised, but they invariably are always worth the wait. We have been utterly spoilt for choice these past 10 years between Murphy Models, Irish Railway Models, Silverfox models, Irish Freight Models, MIR, SSM, Provincial Wagons, OO Works, D&M, etc. 30 years ago there was not one single scale model of an Irish loco nor one piece of rolling stock. The world changed when Patrick Murphy teamed up with Bachmann to produce the 141/181 class baby GMs around 2007, and its been nothing but progress since. We have an abundance of quality Irish rolling stock and locos from 1955 to 2021. Thank Goodness nobody has yet contemplated producing toy 22k yo-yo DMUs (ie literally pointless train operations). 

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

[RedRich]

I think a 22k would also attract younger kids to the hobby. Most people model their favorite era and if a 22k or 2900 are what bring the next generation to the hobby everyone's a winner 

Rich

[JasonB]

5 minutes ago, RedRich said:

FFS Jason please tell me you aren't wearing Mrs B's skirt.

Christ Rich, I thought you knew me better than that  

[RedRich]

2 minutes ago, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

Very true Noel and fine kits they were too 

Rich

2 minutes ago, JasonB said:

Christ Rich, I thought you knew me better than that  

Thanks man for putting me at ease.

[murphaph]

8 minutes ago, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

Any pics anyone? I'd love to see one.

[warb]

A few photos  of Marks models Resin kits

[JasonB]

50 minutes ago, RedRich said:

Thanks man for putting me at ease.

Believe me, it's my pleasure  

[murphaph]

Super, thanks @warb

[Westcorkrailway]

30 minutes ago, warb said:

A few photos  of Marks models Resin kits

I never saw them before 

 

they look excellent. 

[warb]

Marks models 201's 24 years ago with lengthened  FP45 athearn 208 which was some thing not available  before this time.

[DJ Dangerous]

2 hours ago, murphaph said:

Surely T-ara take that honour given the origin of these units 

Jesus, that's scarily niche knowledge there... What are you hiding?

1 hour ago, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

I vaguely remember the resin 201 bodies in Marks, but can't remember the 141 / 181 bodies.

1 hour ago, RedRich said:

I think a 22k would also attract younger kids to the hobby. Most people model their favorite era and if a 22k or 2900 are what bring the next generation to the hobby everyone's a winner 

Rich

And the rest! Anybody wanting to get into railway modelling, Irish or otherwise, will look for something familiar, either what they see today, or what they remember from their youth. A multiple unit is also a very cost effective way of getting a model railway running, as a three-car unit is likely to be cheaper than a loco and two coaches.

[Niles]

I'm disappointed nobody's mentioned B*Witched. 

I remember the Marks kits on display there, I'm guessing the arrival of the Lima 201 shortly time would have had an impact on the 201? They had a 141 resin body on display for a while there, I never seen one painted.

 

 

 

 

 

[RedRich]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Jesus, that's scarily niche knowledge there... What are you hiding?

I vaguely remember the resin 201 bodies in Marks, but can't remember the 141 / 181 bodies.

And the rest! Anybody wanting to get into railway modelling, Irish or otherwise, will look for something familiar, either what they see today, or what they remember from their youth. A multiple unit is also a very cost effective way of getting a model railway running, as a three-car unit is likely to be cheaper than a loco and two coaches.

Exactly, it's the contemporary rolling stock that appeals to a larger amount of the younger generation. The constant monotony of ridiculing the current fleets is stale and well past it's sell by date now.

Rich

[Mayner]

5 hours ago, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

The most impressive aspect of the whole business was the quality and production rate of a small group of younger MRSI modellers who produced scratchbuilt models of the 201s, new railcars and masters for the resin castings, there was no waiting for a kit or rtr manufacturer to produce an accurate commercial model of an Irish prototype they just did it!

As a slightly older Irish scratch builder/kit-basher seeing these high quality scratchbuilt 201s, Sparrow and Arrow railcars and other models was a revelation similar to Neil Young fist hearing the Sex Pistols----------I was blown away by the quality of the modelling and their production rate.

10 years earlier very few people were modelling Irish railways and now a small group of modellers were scratchbuilding high quality fleets of locos, coaches and rolling stock.

[Westcorkrailway]

Not sure how this debate sparked again, it’s happens every once and a while, but I’ll give my 2 cents as per usual 

As somone who is barely old enough to remember the 121s and 141s in service. I also know another lad, slightly older then me who also models Irish. Between the 2 of us, I model 1950s-1960s, he models 1960s and also 1980s/90s.

 

between the two of us, we both started in Hornby train sets, that can be made as cheaply as they are because the toolings were so old, and they could be mass produced. This is something neither Irish manufacturers have. Even murphy’s old stuff pre 071 Is tied up with Bachman, Lima and Hornby. Hence they cannot be used, never mind the “mass produce factor”. A large tender loco, two coaches, a ring of track with a siding cost about €120 in 2008 money, very hard to compete with that. 
 

The only current stock I get giddy for is the 201/mk IV set. Accociated with goods days out to Dublin for many of us. Not the best yolks in the world, but good memories most of our generation endured in them (whom just now are coming into the world of work) if they ever come out, my 201/mk IV’s will have to fit with the 1960s

 

22k’s and 29k’s are the Backbone of what’s working at the moment, if I’m correct the 27k is what Bachman made a variant of before (weather accurate or not, I’m not sure). 22k’s don’t have an accurate representation in Modelling yet, but since they have not been in service for too long, I think waiting another while for those locos to pick up nostalgic momentum is a better idea. Chris Dier makes a few of these Multiple units in RTR. Not much use to a child, buts there for us lot!

 

 

 

[DJ Dangerous]

15 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

22k’s and 29k’s are the Backbone of what’s working at the moment, if I’m correct the 27k is what Bachman made a variant of before (weather accurate or not, I’m not sure). 22k’s don’t have an accurate representation in Modelling yet, but since they have not been in service for too long, I think waiting another while for those locos to pick up nostalgic momentum is a better idea. Chris Dier makes a few of these Multiple units in RTR. Not much use to a child, buts there for us lot!

The Bachmann sets were British Class 158's re-painted into a 2600-ish livery.

Chris Dyer's 29000's are three car British Class 166's repainted into Irish liveries. I have two of these on the way from Chris, but both are four-car units, not three-car units.

[Westcorkrailway]

17 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

The Bachmann sets were British Class 158's re-painted into a 2600-ish livery.

Chris Dyer's 29000's are three car British Class 166's repainted into Irish liveries. I have two of these on the way from Chris, but both are four-car units, not three-car units.

Ahhh perfect, I remember seeing that Bachman set when I was young and wanting one, unfortunately Back then, I was light years away from being able to afford it.
Somone aught to convince UK companies to make a similar set again…..and then Hornby would try to copy it and sell it for cheaper!

 

 

[warb]

11 hours ago, Niles said:

I'm disappointed nobody's mentioned B*Witched. 

I remember the Marks kits on display there, I'm guessing the arrival of the Lima 201 shortly time would have had an impact on the 201? They had a 141 resin body on display for a while there, I never seen one painted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Niles

A blast from the past Marks Models kits 24 years on

 

[WRENNEIRE]

 

Recognise the initials on these Warb?

 

[warb]

Wrenneire

Wouldn't have a clue so long ago

[Niles]

4 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Ahhh perfect, I remember seeing that Bachman set when I was young and wanting one, unfortunately Back then, I was light years away from being able to afford it.
Somone aught to convince UK companies to make a similar set again…..and then Hornby would try to copy it and sell it for cheaper!

 

 

I think the Bachmann '2700-esque' set was a commission between Mark's and Graham's at the time (and possibly a Northern shop?). 

Not accurate I know but I can see appeal of it as an impressionistic model. As a little lad I had a n-gauge battery TGV set in orange and black (anyone remember them, a sort of plastic black track? I had a HST one too). Anyway, I used to 'play' with the two orange and black centre cars, pretending they were the 'Arrow' trains I saw dash by grand-aunt's place in Ballyfermot. Again, not accurate but keeps kids interested by giving them something they can relate to.

[Noel]

23 hours ago, murphaph said:

Would you really say no to an AEC 2600 set in B&T Noel?

Certainly not, travelled to Galway on AEC 2600 in the 1960s and regularly from Bray to City before the Dort

[murphaph]

1 minute ago, Noel said:

Certainly not, travelled to Galway on AEC 2600 in the 1960s and regularly from Bray to City before the Dort

Same operations as a modern railcar. Forward and back. No running around. No shunting. No releasing the loco etc. I see no difference between them and a 22k set operationally...do you?

[Noel]

3 hours ago, murphaph said:

Same operations as a modern railcar. Forward and back. No running around. No shunting. No releasing the loco etc. I see no difference between them and a 22k set operationally...do you?

Yea fair cop to a degree, but they can in the glory days of CIE with stations still had track work and points and AEC sets sometimes had other coaching stock marshalled into their mid formations so not totally uniform. As a passenger I dislike the 22k sets because they are so uncomfortable with their hard seats and noisy cabins (ie engines under the floor), and they are the reason most stations have been rationalised to the extent that they have no points, no loops, hardly any track left. Waterford is a point in case, just half of the old bay platform left from what was once a railway metropolis. The ICRs (mere DMUs) have facilitated rationalisation that signalled the destruction of the old railway network. Can't stop progress, just great nostalgia memory for the good old days when the railways were really interesting and an assault on the senses instead of a plastic hum. All one would need for a toy 22k model would be a circle of track, points not needed, yoyo land. Baby GM a heating van and a single laminate had so much more visual and operational character. Operating AECs wouldn't be top drawer but nostalgic. I can't see anybody remembering the plastic 22k's with much affection in 40 years time. Even the long 201 peat briquettes, while locos are rather boring compared to the distinctive shapes of the earlier GM locos. Ah too many childhood memories of trains splitting at Mullingar for Galway and Sligo, which much noise and shunting, a bygone age. You had to remember which coach to sit in to ensure you arrived at the correct destination.  That'd be fun in an aircraft.

 

PS: Later 2600 were push pull loco operated (eg Bray line pre-dart)

 

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Yea fair cop to a degree, but...

But nothing!

It's exactly the same operationally. Back and forth, no points required, only a circle of track required to run them etc.

Hoping that we see a RTR 22000 some time soon.

 

[connollystn]

@DJ Dangerous - Can't see a RTR model of the 22 000 being produced this side of my 70th birthday.

[murphaph]

I'm waiting for the punchline Connolly!

Ah Noel it's not fair to lay into stuff you personally don't find interesting, just because. Let's look at the 201 for a second. You said it is like a peat briquette because it's not an interesting shape like the other GMs but the Sulzers, A and C classes were also flat sided locos but I know you love the A's and would presumably buy a Sulzer in B&T if one was available. I think you just don't find these things aesthetically appealing but it seems it's mostly to do with age and your associated memories. But you need to appreciate that you are laying into the memories of the 15 year old modeller on here who doesn't remember a 121 or a Craven in service nevermind an A Class and I'm too young to remember anything much before IR and I'm "only" 43.

I think we should count our lucky stars we still have a railway. Freight might just make a comeback due to the green agenda coming to the fore and as freight virtually disappeared from most of the network in the mid 2000's it's the yo yo passenger yokes that have effectively kept the remaining network operational due to being reasonably cost effective to operate, so let's not be too hard on them eh?