LIMA Murphy Models

[Tarabuses]

But not finished, surely.

[WRENNEIRE]

Tony

I told you before

Dont ever call me Surely

[burnthebox]

Surely, you know there's lot's of Irish wagons about t to be produced, I can'r think of any in particular, but you guys know best,

 

Tony

I told you before

Dont ever call me Surely

[Tarabuses]

Tony

I told you before

Dont ever call me Surely

 

Rarely?

[WRENNEIRE]

April saw another 5 Mk 2 coaches added to the catalogue

Some superb Galway liveried Mk 2d's and also some standard IE liveried Mk 2d's

504 of each

 

MM5411 Galway Restaurant

 

 

MM5601 Galway EGV

 

 

MM5210 Standard, Black Roof

 

 

MM5217 Standard Black Roof

 

 

MM5229 Standard Orange Roof

 

[burnthebox]

Thanks Dave, very nice piece's of work, tell us about this "catalogue " if it exist's., and where can one get their paws on one,

[WRENNEIRE]

He did produce a catalogue for the toy fair in Nuremberg earlier in the year

A quickly put together job with a few mistakes

However it does not encompass his full production run

The term catalogue in my previous post was a general term not a reference to an actual catalogue

Some pics just for you Paul.

 

And if you do manage to escape in 30 days I will see if I can pick you up one instead of a watch!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[UP6936]

Love the picture of 071 on the front!

[WRENNEIRE]

So

Last May saw another 4 071's added to the fleet

077, 085, 111 & 8113

504 0f 077 & 085 with only 252 of 111 & 8113 produced

 

077 IE Large Logo

 

 

085 IE Weathered

 

 

 

111 NIR Lt Edition with Cert

 

 

8113 NIR Lt Edition with Cert

 

[WRENNEIRE]

Just updated some of the Catalogue information on page 18

I picked up a 1981/82 catalogue with insert and also the 1978/79 insert

[Warbonnet]

Just updated some of the Catalogue information on page 18

I picked up a 1981/82 catalogue with insert and also the 1978/79 insert

 

Nice one Dave, have some of those catalogues and one or two earlier editions but the British editions only. Glad you finally got them.

[josefstadt]

The volumes of locos produced '... 504 0f 077 & 085 with only 252 of 111 & 8113 ...' seems strange. Any idea why it isn't, say, 500 or 250?

[BosKonay]

I think it's to do with how many fit in a box

 

iirc, 6 locos to a box, thats 84 boxes.

[josefstadt]

Thanks Stephen. I knew there had to be a logical explanation, but couldn't figure out what it was.

[BosKonay]

It's usually the most mundane

[WRENNEIRE]

Lima ( Lavarazione Italia Metalli ed Affini) was founded to produce toy cars & boats etc in 1949. in 1958 they moved into producing toy trains which were manufactured in HO Scale. They made their first N Gauge models in 1966, there were Italian outline (surprise surprise) and they were available in the UK. Lines Brothers, who owned Tri Ang did a deal with Lima in 1967 whereby they used one of their subsidiaries, G&R Wrenn, to sell the Lima products and they then allowed Lima to produce their Big Big Train under license.

Because of the success of their N Gauge models Lima decided in 1973 to enter the British market because there was only one main supplier at the time. Unfortunately for them they entered with HO scale models and as they were smaller than their OO Gauge counterparts they did not do as well as expected. They slowly started to replace their HO models with OO models and by 1977 they had completely replaced the HO ones.

In 1977 Wrenn withdrew from their agreement with Lima and it is around this time that Lexie Keady and John Byrne were introduced to the Lima people because of their friendship with the Wrenn brothers.

So starting with HO and moving onto N & OO we can see where we were before the current Murphy Models catalogue was produced and get down on our hands and knees to thank the man for saving us from these models.

 

First Irish set produced

Lima HO Supertrain Set 5516T

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by WRENNEIRE

[burnthebox]

Well done Dave, nice piece, now what would that £13.95 be in today's hyper inflation rate,

[WRENNEIRE]

In 77 I think I was on about £50 a week so work it out. (Failed sums in the primary)

[BosKonay]

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1633409/Historic-inflation-calculator-value-money-changed-1900.html Says about £75 in today's money

[WRENNEIRE]

This set followed about 9 months later

2126T

 

 

Edited November 26, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[enniscorthyman]

Thanks for posting this Dave.I remember looking at a

Set of Lima repainted corridor coaches and the super

train class 33 in a local store window in the 70s.Me

poor little heart was dying for one.Santa did bring me

the freight version in 1978 and I remember my Dad walked

on the CIE break van on Christmas night-God I was

devestated but he did glue it back together again.

[WRENNEIRE]

Some scarce HO boxed coaches

9144 CIE Mk 2

9146 CIE Bredin/Park Royal?

 

 

 

 

Some different box styles.

The centre one would be the more common one.

Edited November 26, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[WRENNEIRE]

Final HO pics

 

1707 CIE 4F

 

Shows different box that the HO loco came in, bottom pic shows the standard HO box of the time.

 

Edited November 26, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[Aussie Phil]

Amazing the similarities between the Australian model railway scene and the Irish one. We started out with a handful of repainted UK and US models in the 70s and progressed to some basic prototypical models and better since then. We are now at a point where the market has produced almost all the locos from the 90-00s era, a wide range of steam and more wagons than you can ever possibly collect. Down side is cost and that it is no long a challenge to model Aussie railways. Thank for the history mate. Enjoy reading this thread immensely. Great collection you have. One to be jealous of.

[WRENNEIRE]

Cheers Phil

Still a lot of stuff to cover, Lima did some O Gauge & N Gauge in Irish livery's and there is some Hornby Irish as well

Also hope to cover the MIR Freight range and some other bits, so stay tuned!

[WRENNEIRE]

I have been pulling the house apart looking for a boxed version of the Lima HO A Class (Cl33)

8015 in case anyone has one lying around

I have only found one which is incorrectly boxed, still a few places to search but its not looking good

[WRENNEIRE]

HO "A" Class

Non original box's but both are for Cl 33's

The difference in box height has been shown before

 

Edited November 26, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[WRENNEIRE]

Been neglecting the thread lately but hope that this yoke might be of interest to any Lima collectors here

Possibly the hardest Lima Irish item to obtain so far, Thanks Dan, ye robbin bastard!

A lot of anomalies concerning this wagon methinks

303 prefix usually indicates a HO item, a lot of the time the 30 is not present and the prefix just then becomes 3***

So this is then a HO wagon but given OO bogies and couplings and a W on its description to indicate OO couplings

Check out 303202 to see the bogie/coupling difference

 

Lima Sundries Wagon, be still my beating heart, as one of our own might say.

 

 

This shows where the box was adjusted in the factory to cater for the OO Bogie & Coupling

 

 

Alternative box

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by WRENNEIRE

[Warbonnet]

now that is a rarity. How many were made Dave?

[WRENNEIRE]

No idea Fran, but not a lot

Catalogued as 1982 - 83

Even the box is a quare yoke

Has a second Lima token in the Lima Models signage on the box

The Lima Models appears on the right hand side of the box end, usually appears on the left

No sketch of the enclosed item, whereas usually there is a sketch on the box end

The plot thickens!

[Glenderg]

Dave, is this the famous CIE version you were looking for, or is that another one. New Irish Lines Vol 3 No 6 2004 November for more info on the Sundries Van.

[WRENNEIRE]

This is it Richie, I've been searching for one since you were in short trousers

[Waterfordtrain]

Think the list of 141/181 is slightly wrong you have 188 in twice and left out 183 ?

[WRENNEIRE]

Noooo......

[WRENNEIRE]

Forgot to mention these 2 ladies

August of this year saw the final 2 issues of the 071 class models

Only 252 of each produced and classed as Limited Editions

 

7071

 

 

7078