DiveController Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The following information is taken directly from ooworks Web Page- "THESE LOCO'S ARE NOT FITTED WITH DCC BUT IT CAN BE FITTED IN EITHER THE BOILER OR THE TENDER, THERE IS ENOUGH ROOM) WE DO NOT PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. We make all our locos mainly from cast metal, resin. brass , etch and other materials. some of our tooling is hand done while other bits are done using 3D design. Our locos are spray finished with some lining being done free hand. We only offer OO guage, as most of our customers are from across the British Isles inc Ireland. Our loco's are fitted with 5 pole motors." Do the white metal or brass components create any electrical problems actually fitting these with a DCC chip (like, say, a split chassis loco)? How easy would it be to access the boiler to place a DCC chip as I assume parts may not just unclip like in plastic locomotives? Quote
Old Blarney Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 DiveController, Morning to you. I suspect none of us can answer your Question! "How easy would it be to access the boiler to place a DCC chip as I assume parts may not just unclip like in plastic locomotives?" Reason we have not yet received our purchases. I suggest you refer to Posting No 1, on this subject. It contains the relevant contact details for this Manufacturer. The will, I'm sure, provide you with the information you require of their products. Happy modelling. Quote
Weshty Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 SSM have lining for both types of locos with a selection of numbers. Depending on the completed model, I'll also look at providing detail packs for the cab and extra rivetting detail. Don't forget that I can also provide a fully brass D1 Tender kit if you do want to go down that road. Quote
leslie10646 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 What might have been! It is amazing what we can do to justify the purchase of rolling stock for our model railways. The Londonderry,Manorhamilton and Sligo Railway Company (LMS). From here the imagination takes over completely!!! Everything and anything trundles over this line. Number 70 can haul mixed trains, cattle trains or whatever can be justified, so long as the rails will carry the traffic. I can imagine a certain U Class being used here! For goodness sake, White, I told you to lay off that dreadful stuff they produce round where you live - stick to The Bush! Quote
leslie10646 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 This model is a great deal better than any of the GNR (I) U Class Locomotives I possess. I do not have any. I do not have the skill, or the time to build one. Thus this locomotive, even with its imperfections, will provide me with a good representation of a GNR(I)Locomotive for my model railways. We often cry-out for more Irish Models. Well, I have ordered one of each of their recent announcements. Should these locomotives really, really, need to have the missing pipes and rivets fitted to them, then I shall ask one or more of my talented builders to add the necessary details for me. Ah Whitee, I should have read this first - you haven't been drinking the wrong stuff after all! Like you, I ordered one of each straightaway, for as we both know, it's a modest price for a running Irish steam loco, even if not top-flight in terms of detail. When they come demanding cash, I'll ask them not to paint my UG, except in undercoat, as i obviously want it in GN black! The use of white metal is, in truth, a slight worry - rather heavy stuff - still I don't plan to hang more than a few coaches behind the 4-4-0, but the goods engine will be expected to pull twenty of my wagons! How many of you guys have ordered one? Leslie Quote
Mayner Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 Ah Whitee, I should have read this first - you haven't been drinking the wrong stuff after all! Like you, I ordered one of each straightaway, for as we both know, it's a modest price for a running Irish steam loco, even if not top-flight in terms of detail. When they come demanding cash, I'll ask them not to paint my UG, except in undercoat, as i obviously want it in GN black! The use of white metal is, in truth, a slight worry - rather heavy stuff - still I don't plan to hang more than a few coaches behind the 4-4-0, but the goods engine will be expected to pull twenty of my wagons! How many of you guys have ordered one? Leslie I would check with the manufacturer whether the body is whitemetal or a zinc die casting, he seems to have a reputation of being open and helpful. Haulage power should be reasonably good with a whitemetal or diecast body, back in my BR modelling days I built a number of whitemetal steamers from DJH & Comet kits 20-30 wagons was no problem to a goods loco Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Looked at their site today. The have put up the cad for the UG, which DOES have rivet detailing.. Edited January 31, 2016 by GSR 800 Quote
BosKonay Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Looks like at certain zoom levels they disappear, but when zoomed out they look to be there. Quote
richrua Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Yes I think it looks good. Would like one . Big investment so I will ponder a bit longer. Quote
DiveController Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Looked at their site today. The have put up the cad for the UG, which DOES have rivet detailing.. It's likely they received some polite constructive suggestions and made modifications. The UG class looks nice. No change to the U class from what I can see though, maybe a little on the loco under the boiler. I'd prefer the U in that livery. I can't magnify properly this for some reason. Hmm, can't download it either Edited January 31, 2016 by DiveController Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Is it just me, or do the boiler bands seem very close? Quote
DiveController Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Wonder if they will apply it to the U? If they did, I would certainly get a U. Will wait and see. Fingers crossed! Is it just me, or do the boiler bands seem very close? Not my forte Quote
GSR 800 Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 Actually looking at pictures, they do seem to be close together. Unusual of the GNR, who usually made sure their locos looked in proportion Quote
DiveController Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I would check with the manufacturer whether the body is whitemetal or a zinc die casting, he seems to have a reputation of being open and helpful. Haulage power should be reasonably good with a whitemetal or diecast body, back in my BR modelling days I built a number of whitemetal steamers from DJH & Comet kits 20-30 wagons was no problem to a goods loco Ooworks states that the loco will weigh approx 250g when finished . This seems light to me, got to go and weight a woollie or something for comparison. The bed-plate / cab are made from cast metal. The boiler is injection resin, and chassis is brass. Apparently, the boiler section comes off with a pair of screws to allow easy fitting of a DCC chip. Quote
Mayner Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 There's a mention of it in this months Model Rail. Pricey at £255/£265 though! Kits/batch built models of steam locos work out a lot more expensive than rtr diesels. A complete set of parts to build a small 4-4-0 such as the GNR U or PP from a kit will set you back at least £160, before considering labour, tools and consumables such as solder flux etc. It will be interesting to see how these locos sell, there is likely to be a reasonable level of demand considering the success of Provincial Models range of rtr and kit built GNR wagons. Quote
leslie10646 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Is it just me, or do the boiler bands seem very close? Actually, I don't think they are - they may give that appearance because they're a bit thick? I've had a look at photos of them in Tom Ferris' GN book and I'd say they're OK. I also note that the UG has a whistle - let's hope he remembers to put it on the Class U as well - have a look at the CADCAM - it appears to be missing from the U. All that said, I've just been on the phone to one of my customers who has the 00 Works SR Class I3 and he speaks very positively about it, so I'm looking forward to these new locos! Leslie Quote
leslie10646 Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Haulage power should be reasonably good with a whitemetal or diecast body, back in my BR modelling days I built a number of whitemetal steamers from DJH & Comet kits 20-30 wagons was no problem to a goods loco Thanks for these encouraging words, John. It's a bit embarrassing if my Murphy diesels can sail round with thirty wagons in tow, but my steam struggles! Actually my Class WT, from Colm Flanagan of this Parish, has no trouble with thirty. Of course, one should be running SIXTY behind a 0-6-0 to replicate the night goods to Derry! Leslie Quote
Mike 84C Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Sixty behind an 0-6-0, thats a loco with some umph! as I assume the Derry road was not flat? = to 76 was the load for a 9f up Hatton bank on the BR Western route from Oxford to Birmingham. Quote
jhb171achill Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 The Derry Road, apart from being "not flat", had the likes of Carrickmore Bank, about the 6th or 7th steepest gradient in Ireland, and a long stretch of it at that, plus many, many other stiff enough gradients! I remember a single 141 or 121 with a mere 40 or so four wheelers loose coupled...... Quote
leslie10646 Posted March 19, 2016 Posted March 19, 2016 Sixty behind an 0-6-0, thats a loco with some umph! as I assume the Derry road was not flat? = to 76 was the load for a 9f up Hatton bank on the BR Western route from Oxford to Birmingham. Hi Mike The night goods had the heavy Class SG3s on them. I must try and count the number of wagons they took over the Wellington Bank on the mainline - that was more or less continuous 1 in 100 for close on ten miles!!! Regards Leslie Quote
Mayner Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Hi Mike The night goods had the heavy Class SG3s on them. I must try and count the number of wagons they took over the Wellington Bank on the mainline - that was more or less continuous 1 in 100 for close on ten miles!!! Regards Leslie The Big Ds or SG3 were powerful locomotives, there was quite a bit written about how the NCC Moguls and Jeeps just did not have the sustained slow speed hauling power of the 0-6-0s when used on the Derry Road or Wellington Bank in the 60s. McArnold's Golden Years of the Great Northern has some hair raising tales of trains splitting and run-aways between Pomeroy and Omagh. When a coupling broke the golden rule was to put on steam and run as fact as possible to avoid a pile up when the run away section caught up with the loco and front section of the train. Quote
Horsetan Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 ....one should be running SIXTY behind a 0-6-0 to replicate the night goods to Derry! You'll know of Pendon Museum's 28xx which can haul 95 on the level. Sixty should be possible for a six-coupled, depending on how your wagons are weighted. Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 It was something like that, Harry. Not the single steepest in Ireland, but up there, and also one of the longest. For an inexperienced fireman, it was a severe test. Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 It was something like that, Harry. Not the single steepest in Ireland, but up there, and also one of the longest. For an inexperienced fireman, it was a severe test. I would be then! Let's see, we have the glanmire road bank, the carrickmore bank, but I'm sure if we include some narrow gauge banks the would be very steep! Wasn't there some 1 in 30 banks on the T&D? The SG3s seemed to be designed with the Derry road in mind! One of the most powerful, if not the most powerful 0-6-0s in Ireland! Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Glenagalt. Imagine a Beyer Garret going up it! Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 You've some imagination, Harry! Maybe Maedb going up it - re-gauged! Or a Lough Swilly tender loco.... But to go back to the U class........ (!).... Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 You've some imagination, Harry! Maybe Maedb going up it - re-gauged! Or a Lough Swilly tender loco.... But to go back to the U class........ (!).... Lough Swilly tender loco may not be so crazy..survives another few years, transferred to the T&D for cattle specials! Maybe? I might hold off getting a U myself, if I was going to get a RTR loco, it would be a J15, 461 or Meabh, or maybe a VS.. Quote
Horsetan Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 I'd have thought that Irish engines would have been a popular choice for any up-and-coming manufacturer. Most classes had no outside cylinders or valve gear to speak of, so already the chassis engineering is simplified! Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Exactly. Apart from the GNR "U", other engines like an SG3, a MGWR J18 or a GSWR J15 would be suitable. Several inside cylinder 4.4.0 types would also be easy to do, but probably less marketable. Quote
GSR 800 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 461 would be the ideal RTR loco. She is inside cylindered, as Ivan has already pointed out, and is in preservation. A kit will soon be available... Quote
Warbonnet Posted March 20, 2016 Author Posted March 20, 2016 461 would be the ideal RTR loco. She is inside cylindered' date=' as Ivan has already pointed out, and is in preservation. A kit will soon be available...[/quote'] Only two were built, so volume wise it would not be an ideal RTR candidate at all. Kit or hand built ala OO works maybe but even then I think the latter would be stretching it. Quote
jhb171achill Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 With such an emphasis on modern image modelling (post 1970 appears to be by far the most popular - understandably), one wonders whether better commercial viability would result from a RTR steam engine of a preserved type (171, 4, 461) or a "classic" design from the traffic volumes of the past like some of those previously mentioned. A modern image modeller could have one of the former rattling round on an "RPSI" train, whereas an old GSWR or NCC 4.4.0 would only be appropriate for a layout set pre 1960. Quote
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