josefstadt Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Woops. I should read every word of the post!! Sorry Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josefstadt Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Spot on Rich. The IE logo is oversize - it shouldn't overlap the white lines. As you say the bottom of the cab side window frames should be black not orange. On 071 and 086 shouldn't the bodyside grill be black with a thin orange line separating it from the black band - as in http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/diesel/071/cie077_st003815a.jpg. And I still think that the orange is too orangy and should be more 'golden brown'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Woops. I should read every word of the post!! Sorry Rich. No apologies needed josefstadt your own observations regarding the IR liveried loco are spot on. There is a lot of good detail on the models. 077 correctly does not have the plates on the cabsides that replaced the tablet catchers and the Sinclair antennas are correctly modelled on certain members of the classes. The shipping time from leaving China to the models clearing customs is usually 6 weeks give or take a few days and if the projected release is for IE Freight NIR and CIE Supertrain then there is time to correct the IE and IR locos before production starts on them are they are penciled in for release later in the year. I do hope the issues with the cab front chevrons on the IR liveried loco and the IE logo and paint bleed on 077 are corrected before production as all it takes is an email with a photo or a phone call to the factory to correct that. I haven't seen any photos of the cabfront of the 077 model yet and I hope it doesn't have the same issues as the IR liveried model. 112 looks amazing in the photos and good attention to detail has been evident in all views so they should get the others right as there is a multitude of photos out there to use as guides for livery application. Rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 These concerns should be made know to MM now, while there is still time to rectify them. It's not as if Paddy isn't prepared to correct livery issues, as the yellow panel was corrected on later 201's, after the issue about the incorrect curve at the bottom was highlighted. It's just a pity it was only spotted after the model was released. There is probably still time to catch the 071's in time....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Something like this.... An ex works 082 at Heuston Stn taken in May 1989. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enniscorthyman Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Does anyone know why the red buffer beam was moved so high on the 071s when compared to the 141/181s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Does anyone know why the red buffer beam was moved so highon the 071s when compared to the 141/181s. Eamonn I am a firm believer that the most obvious answer is usually the correct one. Taking this into consideration I asked the tour guide in Inchicore many years ago the same question you have asked. The answer was because they had to have the red the same distance from the orange or dayglo on the 3 classes. The 071's were delivered that way also on request. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enniscorthyman Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thanks for that Rich,I always wondered that and especially it made painting of the MIR 071 buffer beam very difficult to do,well for me it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Anyone remembering them will recall livery details that differed from the norm. They were delivered (as seen above) with CIE roundels on the ends which were of slightly bigger diameter, and all white, instead of the usual one with a tan "broken wheel" surrounding white lettering. The shade of "tan" was also much browner than the norm. Against a set of Mk IIs the darker colour stood out. At first repainting they got the normal CIE standard of the day. Looking at the model above, the cabside numerals are all white. I can't remember myself whether this was the case after delivery, though I suspect they were shaded in black. (Runs to look up old pics!). An EXCELLENT looking model, worthy runner up to the 141s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Anyone remembering them will recall livery details that differed from the norm. They were delivered (as seen above) with CIE roundels on the ends which were of slightly bigger diameter, and all white, instead of the usual one with a tan "broken wheel" surrounding white lettering. The shade of "tan" was also much browner than the norm. Against a set of Mk IIs the darker colour stood out. At first repainting they got the normal CIE standard of the day. Looking at the model above, the cabside numerals are all white. I can't remember myself whether this was the case after delivery, though I suspect they were shaded in black. (Runs to look up old pics!). An EXCELLENT looking model, worthy runner up to the 141s. I agree 100% the 141-181's (although they did have some minor niggles) are still top of the table as far as prototype to model fidelity is concerned, as are the Cravens which makes them both the best rtr models on the market at the moment. The Heljan Hymek is still held in the same regards among British Railway modellers. From what I have seen photo wise the model of 112 is still the pick of the crop of new models regarding finish and detail. It will be nice adding the extra cabfront receptacles and cables as fitted by NIR. I hope they sell really well and I will be making several purchases myself. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Thanks for that Rich,I always wondered that andespecially it made painting of the MIR 071 buffer beam very difficult to do,well for me it was. No problems Eamonn it was always something that I used to wonder myself. The buffer beam red on the MIR 071 locos was always a breaking point for most people, myself included. Rich, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted August 12, 2012 Share Posted August 12, 2012 Irish models have certainly came a long way since the CIE liveried Hymek and Class 33,and of course the Slainte express.... We had the Lima 201s 11 years ago...what can we expect in the next 5-10 years????? Thank you to Paddy Murphy for upgrading the Irish model scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BabyGM Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Lads does anyone know if there will be a launch to the 071's like with the 201's last year? Hopefully this won't start another argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Lads does anyone know if there will be a launch to the 071's like with the 201's last year?Hopefully this won't start another argument They'll be launched at the October show as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 They'll be launched at the October show as far as I know. Fran launched or for sale or both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 I believe both, but maybe Dave could confirm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Traders should have their quotas in time for the show, so I am told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Traders should have their quotas in time for the show, so I am told Sorry lads, I assume that's the MRSI show over the Oct bank holiday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Roger, good buddy Should have said, DOH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I see Hattons have the new MM071 listed at £125 Not a bad price and cheaper than the current MM201's Check the link out http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000501/1000588/1000635/0/Murphy_Models_OO_Gauge_1_76th_Scale_Diesel_locomotives/prodlist.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I see Hattons have the new MM071 listed at £125 Not a bad price and cheaper than the current MM201's Check the link out http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000501/1000588/1000635/0/Murphy_Models_OO_Gauge_1_76th_Scale_Diesel_locomotives/prodlist.aspx Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Man Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I see Hattons have the new MM071 listed at £125 Not a bad price and cheaper than the current MM201's Check the link out http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000501/1000588/1000635/0/Murphy_Models_OO_Gauge_1_76th_Scale_Diesel_locomotives/prodlist.aspx Really amazing-as Murphy Models have not yet confirmed their Trade Price let alone an RRP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 still no pictures of the black and silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Really amazing-as Murphy Models have not yet confirmed their Trade Price let alone an RRP I know Seamus but the great thing about Hattons is that if they come out at say £20-£30 higher RRP. If you pre order with Hattons at £125 they will stand by that price and that is what you pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hidden-agenda Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Thanks mate i have just pre-ordered my 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Thanks mate i have just pre-ordered my 3. Good to see you getting in quick bud in case they change the price. £125 seems a great price for that loco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarabuses Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Good to see you getting in quick bud in case they change the price. £125 seems a great price for that loco It is if you are paying in sterling and can avail of the £4 postage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishbloke77 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I see Hattons have the new MM071 listed at £125 Not a bad price and cheaper than the current MM201's Check the link out http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000501/1000588/1000635/0/Murphy_Models_OO_Gauge_1_76th_Scale_Diesel_locomotives/prodlist.aspx Postage seems to about GBP£5 per loco going on the rate for the 201's. Total of GBP£130, which according to anpost.ie rates is €170.40. Think I will stick with Irish shops. Not too bad if the euro price is above €175, but fully worth supporting Irish shops if the difference is only €4.60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 How are they guaranteeing a pre-order price despite a trade price not even being released yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 How are they guaranteeing a pre-order price despite a trade price not even being released yet? I presume they are taking an educated guess and if they get it wrong they will have to sell the pre-orders at a loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 This is what it says on their website (note 4th line from the bottom) *Click the photo above to see a larger picture. Product Details Manufacturer: Murphy Models Scale: OO Gauge (1:76th Scale) Product Code: MM0071 Product Title: Irish Class 071/111 diesel locomotive in IE black & orange livery Stock Details Hattons guaranteed pre-order price, orderable now Is this item actually in stock? No On order. Normal UK postage for 1 of this item: (Postage Rates) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Postage seems to about GBP£5 per loco going on the rate for the 201's. Total of GBP£130, which according to anpost.ie rates is €170.40. Think I will stick with Irish shops. Not too bad if the euro price is above €175, but fully worth supporting Irish shops if the difference is only €4.60. The exchange rate here today it would cost euro 164.44 including p&p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarabuses Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 I presume they are taking an educated guess and if they get it wrong they will have to sell the pre-orders at a loss I doubt it would be a loss, just a reduced profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hidden-agenda Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Really amazing-as Murphy Models have not yet confirmed their Trade Price let alone an RRP £144.99 in the model shop Belfast. http://modelshopbelfast.com/index.php/railways/irish-and-local.html?p=3 Obviously some one knows the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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