Provincial Wagons' next wagon?

[DiveController]

No one else doing this era Leslie so I'll take a short rakes as usual. When did they Palvans first come into traffic?

 

[leslie10646]

5 hours ago, DiveController said:

No one else doing this era Leslie so I'll take a short rakes as usual. When did they Palvans first come into traffic?

 

Thanks, Kevin!

The "PALvans" by which I assume we are all talking about the sliding door jobs, series 26001 - 26500  (just checkin' ....) were introduced in 1964 (I'm quoting Oliver Doyle and Stephen Hirsch from their invaluable little booklet Locos and Rolling Stock of CIE and NIR (1979). Noted for having had three different end designs!

[NIR]

Not sure if practical for resin but maybe supply the ends in two reversible sections for a mix and match build, the same for the door panels? These vans looked most striking with both doors slid open...

Edited October 18, 2019 by NIR

[patrick]

The pal vans also had 2 different door types. The photos I have seen suggest that those in the original gray livery had more visible bracing while those repainted into reddish brown had a more solid appearance. I wonder if the doors were reinforced by adding a panel to the outside before being repainted?

[DiveController]

8 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Thanks, Kevin!

The "PALvans" by which I assume we are all talking about the sliding door jobs, series 26001 - 26500  (just checkin' ....) were introduced in 1964 (I'm quoting Oliver Doyle and Stephen Hirsch from their invaluable little booklet Locos and Rolling Stock of CIE and NIR (1979). Noted for having had three different end designs!

That will fit in my preferred era very nicely

6 hours ago, patrick said:

The pal vans also had 2 different door types. The photos I have seen suggest that those in the original gray livery had more visible bracing while those repainted into reddish brown had a more solid appearance. I wonder if the doors were reinforced by adding a panel to the outside before being repainted?

7 hours ago, NIR said:

Not sure if practical for resin but maybe supply the ends in two reversible sections for a mix and match build, the same for the door panels? These vans looked most striking with both doors slid open...

That would certainly add to the appeal of these van, different ends and  doors types. I might need a few more of them if those are options!! Doors open, would be fantastic nears the goods shed/yard with a fork lift which is how they were loaded with pallets as I recall

Edited October 18, 2019 by DiveController

[NIR]

1 hour ago, DiveController said:

That will fit in my preferred era very nicely

That would certainly add to the appeal of these van, different ends and  doors types. I might need a few more of them if those are options!! Doors open, would be fantastic nears the goods shed/yard with a fork lift which is how they were loaded with pallets as I recall

Make the runners part of the roof and the floor sections rather than the sides, then select your door position... easier to mould too?

[flange lubricator]

These are some the  Palvans with different ends which  I made using Parkside Dundas kits .

Edited October 18, 2019 by flange lubricator

[leslie10646]

Hi Flange (sorry, I don't know your real name!)

Those are super models and if a Parkside kit does the trick, it suggests to me not to bother?

just how much hard work did you have to put in to produce these excellent representations of the "Real Thing"?

Thanks.

Leslie

[flange lubricator]

Hi Leslie 

I think I used Parkside Dundas vanwide kit and 12 ton covered van kit here is a link to a previous thread 

I still think it would be worth while offering a kit as many people don’t want to take the kit bashing route which involves a good deal of work whereas your kit would be a lot simpler and quicker to put together. 

Edited October 21, 2019 by flange lubricator

[StevieB]

I agree with FL’s comment about a palvan kit, but at the end of the day it’s your decision.

Stephen

[NIR]

There is also the distinctive triangular underframe that is not going to be on any of the kits.

Edited October 21, 2019 by NIR

[leslie10646]

6 hours ago, flange lubricator said:

I still think it would be worth while offering a kit as many people don’t want to take the kit bashing route which involves a good deal of work whereas your kit would be a lot simpler and quicker to put together. 

Thanks, Flange for the explanation - I suspect you're right!

And Yes, NIR, I was aware of the triangular chassis, which put the van on my radar (as three of my kits feature that chassis).

The question remains -

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BUY THEM (and an idea of how many)!  PLEASE!

Michael is even older than me and I want to put his skills to good use!

If I have time, I'll put out a sheet out at Blackrock and you can tell me what you'd like to see - if it was built after 1970, tell the IRM lads!

Back to packing orders! Thanks for those of you who told me what you want for the weekend!

Leslie

[Edo]

Hi Leslie - if u were to go ahead with it - I'd be interested in 6 or so

Simply - anything that ran on CIE lines south of Dublin between 1950 and 1980 - Im interested!!

Ed

[DiveController]

Same era as Edo 1950-1980 south. I''ll commit to at least 6

[jhb171achill]

16 hours ago, Edo said:

Simply - anything that ran on CIE lines south of Dublin between 1950 and 1980 - Im interested!!

Ed

Me too.

17 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD BUY THEM (and an idea of how many)!  PLEASE!

Leslie

I will definitely take 5 or 6 minimum.

Edited October 22, 2019 by jhb171achill

[Colin R]

Hi, Guys did anything come of these cattle wagon kits?

[Mol_PMB]

9 minutes ago, Colin R said:

Hi, Guys did anything come of these cattle wagon kits?

Yes, I think over 200 were made. I've only built one but some people have whole trains of them.

Leslie was considering whether to do one last batch of wagons before he retires. This was the most recent thread:

 

[jhb171achill]

22 hours ago, Colin R said:

Hi, Guys did anything come of these cattle wagon kits?

I’ve a fair stock of them, most made up and weathered, a few still to be made.

[leslie10646]

I answered this a day or two ago on another thread (possibly).

227 kits sold to date - probably a dozen or so more as my records aren't perfect, especially at shows when sales can be frenetic!

I have requests in hand for twenty or so  and will order at least a couple of dozen more kits during the summer for sale at Blackrock. 

Paul is right, people have train-full of them - JB may have the most apart from me as I have ten built by our late friend Anthony.

Thank you to all of you who made this kit a big success.

[leslie10646]

Right, about those big parcels, which I showed elsewhere on this forum ....

This is what was inside:

which, in case it looks familiar - IT SHOULD!

It's a repeat of my very first wagon (2008 vintage, on left) with an early repeat (No. 2229 on right). For newcomers, it's one of 134 vans built by the GNR at Dundalk (1954 - 56) for bagged cement traffic from the factory by the river at Drogheda (hence the "Return to ...." which was removed later when they reverted to normal van status.  If you want to have as in early CIE days (the whole class went to CIE on the dissolution of the GNR), just slosh a bit of grey paint over the "GN" (which is what the new owners did) and apply a Flying Snail - I'll even give you a pair! 

Also, for those modelling later Irish railway history:

A further run of my ex GNR(I) Bagged Cement Van as it ran in its final years when they were used as simple "Vans". Seen all over the place, so, I hope useful to some of you?

£19   or   €23 each

The Sterling price includes postage to UK addresses.

 

Edited Tuesday at 18:17 by leslie10646

[Mol_PMB]

Those will go very nicely with the IRM 'H' vans, and hopefully they'll sell well for you. The lettering and finish is excellent.

[Colin R]

HI Leslie, I do like these wagons, but do you know if they would have been seen on the Belfast and County Down Railway?

 

Colin

[leslie10646]

16 minutes ago, Colin R said:

HI Leslie, I do like these wagons, but do you know if they would have been seen on the Belfast and County Down Railway?

 

Colin

Colin

Alas, the BCDR was history before they were built!

Leslie

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, Colin R said:

HI Leslie, I do like these wagons, but do you know if they would have been seen on the Belfast and County Down Railway?

 

Colin

Even if the BCDR had been open when any of these wagons were conceived, from photos I've seen, there appears to have been little to nothing in the way of goods traffic from outside the system. My guess is that the vast, vast majority of goods traffic was belfast to / from rural stations on the system. Thus, few NCC or GNR wagons, let alone anythiong from further south.

For an accurate representation of the BCDR, scratchbuilt goods stock would really be needed (or kits???)

[leslie10646]

To add to @jhb171achill's comment - I understand that the LSWR "Road Van" as sold by Kernow is a good approximation of a BCDR brake van. See:

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/43665/SB003G-LSWR-10-Ton-Goods-Brake-Van-number-S54466

Patrick Davey got the Smallbrook kit of one and altered it. @Patrick Davey - please advise?

Thanks

[jhb171achill]

31 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

To add to @jhb171achill's comment - I understand that the LSWR "Road Van" as sold by Kernow is a good approximation of a BCDR brake van. See:

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/43665/SB003G-LSWR-10-Ton-Goods-Brake-Van-number-S54466

A very reasonable approximation, yes! They had several types, some made in very low numbers - same as many Irish railways before the mass standardisation of the GSR & CIE.

[Patrick Davey]

10 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

To add to @jhb171achill's comment - I understand that the LSWR "Road Van" as sold by Kernow is a good approximation of a BCDR brake van. See:

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/43665/SB003G-LSWR-10-Ton-Goods-Brake-Van-number-S54466

Patrick Davey got the Smallbrook kit of one and altered it. @Patrick Davey - please advise?

Thanks

@leslie10646 ?

[leslie10646]

Sorry, Patrick, I thought that it was you!

It MAY have been Colm F - the only other person modelling the BCDR back then.

[Galteemore]

49 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

Sorry, Patrick, I thought that it was you!

It MAY have been Colm F - the only other person modelling the BCDR back then.

Maybe Kieran Lagan? 

[jhb171achill]

On 18/10/2019 at 2:29 AM, DiveController said:

….. When did the Palvans first come into traffic?

1964/5

[leslie10646]

JB, you're slacking - taking five years to answer a query!

3 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

1964/5

3 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

1964/5