DiveController Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Incidentally, does anyone know when the logo change from the plus to the ampersand (B+I to B&I) (seems yo be very late 80s from what I can decipher) The other Cu na Mara just out of interest before I get too far off topic.. Edited March 13, 2020 by DiveController 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DiveController Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 (edited) The even older logo in flanges photo above is from the 70s I would think. Also seen on the containers in this thread Edited March 17, 2020 by DiveController 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Some I found while self isolating The blue tarp is on a B&1 40' 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 The 1st photo is a great discovery the B+I liner possibly at East Wall yard (The Polling Fields) late 1960s with a reasonably clear view of those unusual open containers and 25436 series flat wagons in grey complete with load securing stanchions. The B+I truck on the right appears to be carrying a similar open container which indicates that they were used for Cross-Channel rather than domestic freight traffic. The B+I Liners initially ran from East Wall yard to Cork Goods as a replacement for B+Is Cork-South Wales cargo sailings before a siding connection was provided from the Alexandra Road Tramway into the B+I North Wall Terminal. The silver container appears to be the CIE aluminium equivalent of the British Railways B container used until replaced by ISO containers in the early 1970s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexford70 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Great set of photos, never seen these varieties before. Have you a rough date for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Here is a picture from a previous thread , with the same wagons which seem to be slightly oversized so are marshalled in between a 20' container . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Here is another interesting one if you notice the open top black container to the left of the picture with the CIE broken circles on it , I think these were used for carrying scrap metal to Cork for many years used to be a regular to see some of them on the midday liner , they would be easy enough to reproduce using a kit from C rail containers and remove the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 hour ago, flange lubricator said: Here is a picture from a previous thread , with the same wagons which seem to be slightly oversized so are marshalled in between a 20' container . There is an IRRS paper on the early stages of CIEs plans to modernise freight handling in one of the 1969 Journals. One of the plans was to design and build special containers or swap bodies for specific traffic flows including bagged-fertiliser and keg traffic that could not be accommodated within a standard ISO 20X8 container or half height. Other specials included an ISO hopper container for malt traffic, a hopper was selected as it was not feasible to discharge the container by tipping due to height restrictions in the customers premises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_body Besides being wider and longer than a standard ISO container the open containers in the photos of the B+I Liner are particularly unusual in that the floor of the container is considerably higher than the floor of a standard ISO container. The open swap-body appear to have been designed for a light but bulky packaged traffic to the UK mainland which would not fit in a standard ISO open container. Its possible that the swap bodies on the train and B+I trailer are a hangover from the widespread use of" Lancashire Flats" by haulage and shipping companies for unit load traffic between Ireland and Great Britain during the 1960s before the widespread introduction of ISO containers and direct road transfer using ro-ro ferries using accompanied and un-accompanied trailers. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Rob asked: Just wondering what the best quality / most realistic Freight Containers (OO Gauge) 40ft or 20ft, that people think are out there? For 20ft ones - mine of course! See "News" Enterprise held up" Leslie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) On 3/17/2020 at 8:40 AM, WRENNEIRE said: You can just make our 'ROAD RAIL MERCHANDISE SERVICES" in red on the lower part of the container and doors Edited April 4, 2020 by DiveController 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 7 hours ago, DiveController said: You can just make our 'ROAD RAIL MERCHANDISE SERVICES" in red on the oder part of the container and doors The aluminium containers appear to have been used during the 60s for traffic to & from Donegal travelling under Customs Bond through Northern Ireland, both over the ex-GNR line to Strabane and via the ex-GNR Antrim Branch and NCC Main Line to Derry following the closure of the GNR Derry Road. The Aluminium and Guinness containers were transported on 20'-12T capacity-1'wb flat wagons, the flats were fitted with end stanchions and re-classified as ballast wagons during the early 70s. The Aluminium containers were longer than the then standard Irish 16'11" flat wagon and it was necessary to stagger the Guinness containers on the wagons when Belfast and Derry traffic was containerised by the GNR(B) in the late 1950s Ex 25201 series flat re-classified as 24516 series ballast wagon, handbrake wheel broken off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Some earlier CIE containers in the background at Broadstone in 1960, reminiscent of British railways BD type container but bearing the flying snail stenciled on horizontal wooden boards Edited April 4, 2020 by DiveController 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 HI All Not Ireland but Middlesbrough "Not the posh part of England shire" Did the Bell bulks ever run in Ireland ? Regards Arran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I couldn't swear to "never", but I certainly didn't ever either see or hear of a container like that with "BULK" written on it as well as "Bell", in Ireland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I have noticed them in videos on YouTube about Irish railways. I will try and find them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Arran said: HI All Not Ireland but Middlesbrough "Not the posh part of England shire" Did the Bell bulks ever run in Ireland ? Regards Arran Here’s a video. 11minutes 10 seconds Edited April 16, 2020 by NIRCLASS80 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Is the Bulk a 30ft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, Railer said: Is the Bulk a 30ft? Yes, it's a 30' Railer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleeper Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Finally found a spot on the layout for this beauty... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Very convincing scene ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Man Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 love the broken glass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOGUL Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 On 4/16/2020 at 5:55 PM, Arran said: HI All Not Ireland but Middlesbrough "Not the posh part of England shire" Did the Bell bulks ever run in Ireland ? Regards Arran Is that picture recent Arran? Saw this picture of facebook the other day, 30ft Bell heading to the west of Ireland.. So there's is at least one around still in Bell Livery.. Fairly sure that I know who the operator is, next challenge is to get it onto the train, now THAT would be something! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 HI The ones ive taken pics of are in the last few years and the this one was last year . I knew they existed way back but they always eluded me, but this hunter usually gets its prey eventually . Regards Arran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iarnrod Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) On 4/16/2020 at 5:55 PM, Arran said: HI All Not Ireland but Middlesbrough "Not the posh part of England shire" Did the Bell bulks ever run in Ireland ? Regards Arran They occasionally made their way onto liner trains in Ireland, as witnessed in this Youtube video. Check out the start and around the 2 minute mark in the video. As an aside, Bell had 20', 30', 40' and even 45' containers, aswell as tanktainers. Some of the 45' containers even had a pseudo Bell and Kerrygold livery on them. There was the normal Bell branding on the 20' and 40' containers, but there also existed Bell Bulk as in the attached video on the 30' containers and Bell Express branding on 45' containers. Quote Edited May 19, 2020 by iarnrod 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexford70 Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 Not sure if this link has been posted before but a great view of some of the early Bell wagons, making of the ferts, and arial shots of several stations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIR Posted May 27, 2020 Share Posted May 27, 2020 I remember the black crockery. Mesh-door fertilisers at 01:25 and 04:20 Bogie palvans (!?) at 03:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) On 3/17/2020 at 8:40 AM, WRENNEIRE said: Some I found while self isolating I think this is the container on a 4w flat wagon at Limerick 1970 (compliments of Ernie again) Edited July 16, 2020 by DiveController 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Funny how things keep turning up once you realize what you're looking at https://www.flickr.com/photos/152343870@N07/49534058343/in/photolist-2it9ZNF-nzKhx9-bMDk6n-niwnjm-8eKTY9-zvJNrk-S8M9Rc-fr7ogg-pRNkiH-zKWxPe-EnkNV5-pSV2Bz-ksiMmd-cNJ71d-q8gVkv-bW88Dd-cVMtHs-QbnAuQ-pZcKaq-puKgTm-rDHwrB-8aAbK3-eqeWVd-npocCK-YaYwde-p5yxwP-Z7TbNq-epkcRe-fsG3ue-Z9oaaY-dU1b8j-eFsaoW-TXBSbU-afgTC8-JwrZdL-a5JUUs-C64umy-8QLJvD-db5iWR-Y7pLxS-Y7pSB5-CDiKd4-YaYxap-VSJt7w-9HmqgW-C64tbs-awR6Y4-ztqBz9-NFrynJ-cNYgoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARNE CABIN Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Thinking ahead on my Larne Harbour Project, way ahead, as I have lots of projects I am currently working on (Track Layout weathering etc., Signal Cabin, Upper Quadrant Signals, Leslie's Brown Vans and recently I have bought the 70 Class etchs from Worsley Works, so lots to occupy me!), but I have been looking around for a good match for the Red Star Parcels Containers used between York Road and Larne Harbour. Can anyone suggest a good match for the container, that I can work with? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 This is one of the older container types with recesses for the forklift arms and lots of ribbing. Do you know the container length & height? I presume you looked through https://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_28&product_id=219 site for something you might be able to respray (just a cursory search, not saying this is the best match)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARNE CABIN Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Thanks, DiveController, yes have searched C-Rail, but didn't come across anything I thought looked close enough! I hadn't realised it was an older type, as you say with recesses for forklift, so thanks for that info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 C Rail have this, not perfect but might be worth a punt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I've a load of C-Rail 20ft Bells and some 40ft Bells, super container models, love the detail at the door ends, really pops out the detail with the metal bars, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LM186 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I spotted this on the R 334 betwwen Ballinrobe and Headford on 10-09-2020. Not a young box,by any means. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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