Freight Containers (Irish) OO Gauge- 40ft or 20 ft

[DiveController]

The only picture of coal wagons in Rails though North Kerry is on page 52 with a rake of 21/22 open topped 20ft coal wagon on the Foynes Ballina laden run on 22/3/1993. The photo on p68 of Rails through the West would probably offer more detail on this matter since you already have a copy. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by DiveController

[jhb171achill]

10 hours ago, MOGUL said:

At risk of sounding like i'm on commission, I would recommend looking at Jonathan Beaumont and Barry Carse' books for these.. Rails through the west has a good few pictures from Limerick to Ballina, and Rails through North Kerry has some nice pictures of the wagons in Foynes..

I wont share the pics as they are not mine, but they look purpose built to me...

Mogul, should you wish to use pics from either of those books on here, and for the purposes of illustrating a point you're making like the above, you are very welcome indeed to do so. (I'm one of the two named on the cover!)

 

 

7 hours ago, MD220 said:

Thanks for the info Mogul. I have Rails through the West already, I must look out for North Kerry!

It's still in print but running low.

If you want a copy please PM me - I still have a few new ones. Alternately, contact the publisher direct - Colourpoint, Newtownards, Co. Down. Malcolm or Wesley Johnston are the people to speak to.

[murphaph]

Ah I didn't realise that was you Jonathan! In fact the judicious use of book illustrations, assuming the copyright holder has given their consent) can help sell those books. 

Thanks to Mogul I ordered a copy of Rails through the West yesterday and very much look forward to thumbing through it!

[MD220]

11 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Mogul, should you wish to use pics from either of those books on here, and for the purposes of illustrating a point you're making like the above, you are very welcome indeed to do so. (I'm one of the two named on the cover!)

 

 

It's still in print but running low.

If you want a copy please PM me - I still have a few new ones. Alternately, contact the publisher direct - Colourpoint, Newtownards, Co. Down. Malcolm or Wesley Johnston are the people to speak to.

Thanks Jonathan  I nabbed the last one on Amazon last night!

[jhb171achill]

Where we were coming from - Barry Carse has been taking pictures of every aspect of Irish railways, almost entirely in colour, since 1964. I’ve know Barry for over forty years and we often talked about doing a joint book on one thing or another, over the years. His pics, my writings. In both books, the overwhelming majority of pics are his; only one or two of mine, but a few from Barry’s frequent travelling companions in the 1970s, Richard Wall and his brother David Carse.

Over the years, I’d go round to his house the odd evening and he’d get the slide projector out and run through a few boxes. Many (indeed, most) pics would be analysed for a million things.....

”What’s that wagon on the right?”

”I never knew a 101 went there - when did you take that? What was he doing there?”

”Look - that’s an old GNR van in the train.....long way from home!”

”See that second carriage? Must be one of the last in that livery - what date was it again?”

”Who’s that fella beside the signal cabin - what’s he doing?”

.........and so on.....

So “Rails Through The West” was born after the pair of us cycled the Achill branch......dunno if my back could cope with that now.

”North Kerry” followed.

Next? Well, should time permit........we MIGHT have a serious treat for rail freight fans of the 1970-90 period.....

[murphaph]

Lovely bit of backstory to the book.

[iarnrod]

18 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Where we were coming from - Barry Carse has been taking pictures of every aspect of Irish railways, almost entirely in colour, since 1964. I’ve know Barry for over forty years and we often talked about doing a joint book on one thing or another, over the years. His pics, my writings. In both books, the overwhelming majority of pics are his; only one or two of mine, but a few from Barry’s frequent travelling companions in the 1970s, Richard Wall and his brother David Carse.

Over the years, I’d go round to his house the odd evening and he’d get the slide projector out and run through a few boxes. Many (indeed, most) pics would be analysed for a million things.....

”What’s that wagon on the right?”

”I never knew a 101 went there - when did you take that? What was he doing there?”

”Look - that’s an old GNR van in the train.....long way from home!”

”See that second carriage? Must be one of the last in that livery - what date was it again?”

”Who’s that fella beside the signal cabin - what’s he doing?”

.........and so on.....

So “Rails Through The West” was born after the pair of us cycled the Achill branch......dunno if my back could cope with that now.

”North Kerry” followed.

Next? Well, should time permit........we MIGHT have a serious treat for rail freight fans of the 1970-90 period.....

Hope that serious treat materialises. The 1970's period is especially fascinating where old world H wagons, Palvans, Horse Boxes and Bulleid Opens slowly gave way to the new CIE built modern wagon fleet.

Freight was always the more interesting part of railway operations for me anyway, so you definitely have one book sold if it materialises. 

Edited October 9, 2020 by iarnrod

[leslie10646]

Apologies if this has cropped up before. Yet another CIE container! Photographed at Portadown (it's about 1% of the whole picture I scanned) on 14 July 1964 by Lance King (IRRS).

[jhb171achill]

5 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Apologies if this has cropped up before. Yet another CIE container! Photographed at Portadown (it's about 1% of the whole picture I scanned) on 14 July 1964 by Lance King (IRRS).

That's the Tardis.

The Dr. was driving the 15:10 Cullybackey - Wellington Bridge Bulk Turnip train that day.............

7 hours ago, iarnrod said:

The 1970's period is especially fascinating where old world H wagons, Palvans, Horse Boxes and Bulleid Opens slowly gave way to the new CIE built modern wagon fleet.

 

How about two horseboxes and a black'n'tan loco at Limerick Junction! Was perusing that pic the other day chez Carse........

[iarnrod]

9 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

That's the Tardis.

The Dr. was driving the 15:10 Cullybackey - Wellington Bridge Bulk Turnip train that day.............

How about two horseboxes and a black'n'tan loco at Limerick Junction! Was perusing that pic the other day chez Carse........

Sounds interesting. Have always loved seeing Barry's photos in the IRRS Journal over the years. They are also mostly produced in colour from around 2000 onwards, which is also great.

[jhb171achill]

2 hours ago, iarnrod said:

Sounds interesting. Have always loved seeing Barry's photos in the IRRS Journal over the years. They are also mostly produced in colour from around 2000 onwards, which is also great.

Indeed - Barry is now on the Journal’s editorial committee.....

Join the IRRS, folks! Each journal has interesting photos and articles, as well as current news, not that there’s much of THAT compared with times past!

[Galteemore]

Absolutely - join the IRRS. Amazing online photo archive, quality journal going back decades - and the London Area talks are now going online! You are also supporting the archive which is a great legacy for the future...

Edited October 9, 2020 by Galteemore

[murphaph]

Couple of questions:

Which tanktainers where to be seen on Irish rail in the mid 90s? Any details most welcome.

Were high cubes carried on the 42' flats or were they too high?

[DiveController]

I don't know for sure but I suspect that a 9'6" high cube might need a lowered floor such as a pocket wagon to stay within the Irish loading gauge

[murphaph]

Yeah that's what I was thinking but I'd like to confirm. What year did pocket wagons first enter service?

[warb]

Pocket wagons were built in 2001 and entered service 2002 as far as i'm aware

[murphaph]

Thanks very much. A bit late for me so. I'll have to avoid those high cubes unless someone can confirm the loading gauge allowed 40' HCs on the 42' flats.

[Dempsey]

Were the pocket wagons imported or built in Ireland?

[warb]

pocket wagons were built by talgo transtech in finland now a skoda company

Edited October 15, 2020 by warb

[DiveController]

On 22/12/2019 at 9:13 AM, DiveController said:

The 20ft B&I line containers from the 70s had very different styling & logo, not sure why they were alternated on the liner behind B131

 

Anyone seen the cover of IRRS journal October 2020 #203 with a liner train full of old B&I 20Ft containers and an article?

Edited October 25, 2020 by DiveController

[DiveController]

Some of the more esoteric offerings on 20' tank tanktainers

Octel owned tanktainer carrying EDB or TEL antiknock for leaded petrol

(From Nuacht 1973)

 

 

 

Duckhams Tanktainer with 20' flat and Bells Adelaide Yard 1976

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Edited October 26, 2020 by DiveController

[DJ Dangerous]

On 15/10/2020 at 9:54 AM, warb said:

Pocket wagons were built in 2001 and entered service 2002 as far as i'm aware

 

 

Are the pocket wagons retired?

I never see them on YouTube videos any more.

[ttc0169]

41 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

 

Are the pocket wagons retired?

I never see them on YouTube videos any more.

Currently stored in North wall (7) and Waterford (5) with some more wagons in long term storage in Limerick (12).

Some of the North wall and Waterford wagons may be restored to traffic in the near future.

[DJ Dangerous]

4 minutes ago, ttc0169 said:

Currently stored in North wall (7) and Waterford (5) with some more wagons in long term storage in Limerick (12).

Some of the North wall and Waterford wagons may be restored to traffic in the near future.

Why are they out of service, and since when?

Are the 9'6" highcubes now going on the standard 47' flats, or by road?

Are all of the 42' flats retired or repurposed, or are any still on container trains?

[ttc0169]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Why are they out of service, and since when?  - Not required at present

Are the 9'6" highcubes now going on the standard 47' flats, or by road?  On the 47' wagons

Are all of the 42' flats retired or repurposed, or are any still on container trains? -still part of the current bogie container wagon fleet

 

[DJ Dangerous]

Thanks, Noel!

So when my grey 078 arrives in a week or two, she can haul 42' flats with a mix 9'6" high cubes and 8'6" boxes, and that will be a relatively accurate representation of today?

Or the 9'6" highcubes only go on 47' flats and not 42' flats?

[ttc0169]

20 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Thanks, Noel!

So when my grey 078 arrives in a week or two, she can haul 42' flats with a mix 9'6" high cubes and 8'6" boxes, and that will be a relatively accurate representation of today?

Or the 9'6" highcubes only go on 47' flats and not 42' flats?

Yes-bear in mind that 9’6’’ containers are only carried on the 47’ bogie wagons with tanks,40’ and 20’ containers generally carried on the 42’ wagons,

See attached photos from Athlone station with your locomotive 078 arriving taken in January 2021. 

 

[DJ Dangerous]

Wow, awesome photos, thank you!

Soooooo...

When are IRM launching the 47' flats???

[DiveController]

17 hours ago, ttc0169 said:

Yes-bear in mind that 9’6’’ containers are only carried on the 47’ bogie wagons

 

Why on 47' flats only?

Are the high Cubes predominantly 45' in length like P&O?

(40' HiCube are being used on the 47" like ONE also)

 

[MOGUL]

7 hours ago, DiveController said:

Why on 47' flats only?

Are the high Cubes predominantly 45' in length like P&O?

(40' HiCube are being used on the 47" like ONE also)

 

45ft HC= inter-Europe= 47ft flat

40ft DV(8ft 6in) or 40ft HC(9ft 6in)= rest of world= 47ft or 42ft flat

[DJ Dangerous]

3 minutes ago, MOGUL said:

45ft HC= inter-Europe= 47ft flat

40ft DV(8ft 6in) or 40ft HC(9ft 6in)= rest of world= 47ft or 42ft flat

So 40ft HC's are rare in Europe?

[MOGUL]

31 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So 40ft HC's are rare in Europe?

Generally European focused shipping lines(Eucon, CLDN, Samskip, DFDS,ECS etc) operate 45ft HC which are the same dims as a road trailer(13.6m).. these are longer and slightly wider and basically are the max size that is legal in the countries they are used in..

And ones between Europe and the rest of world or outside Europe operate 20fts or 40fts..

But there are exceptions to every rule..

 

Edited February 9, 2021 by MOGUL

[johnfromoz]

I am repurposing a few of  the 42’ flats from spoil use to containers. I will use them for two approximate eras:

1.   Mid 80s, have CAST, Tex and Bell

2.   2010 (ish) to present,  have Maersk, CMA-CGM, MSC, Evergreen,

was wondering if anyone has any firm sighting/photos of Evergreen 40’ boxes on Irish liner services?

John

[DiveController]

Difficult angle I know but looks like a 40' box ......

Ballina to North Wall Dublin at Glasnevin (c) Darren Hall on Flickr

 

Edited August 31, 2021 by DiveController

[murphaph]

Deffo a 40' as the 45's have the inboard anchor points (to allow stacking with 40s) as can be seen on the third container which is a 45' Hi Cube in the same pic. Don't think the pic is correctly captioned however. That's surely the retro livery with those leds I would have thought.

Edited August 31, 2021 by murphaph