gm171 kk Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 hours ago, irishthump said: Is it the specific Lokpilot for the A Class? If not then the headlights probably just need to be mapped to a function key. No its just a standard decoder. 8 hours ago, irishthump said: What DCC system are you using? Can you program CV’s with it? I'm not sure. It's an NCE Power cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billycan Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Have you your PowerCab set up for Extended Function Control and have you tried any of those functions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Billycan said: Have you your PowerCab set up for Extended Function Control and have you tried any of those functions? I will have a go at changing the CVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, gm171 kk said: I will have a go at changing the CVs. Hold off and I’ll have a look at my own locos in the Lokprogrammer software. At least then I can tell you which function the headlights are assigned to. Do all the other light functions work ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Headlight F22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 49 minutes ago, irishthump said: Do all the other light functions work ok? They seem to yes. Once I have the current CV value of the headlights I should be able to change it following instruction I found online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 25, 2021 Author Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 143 and 036 await duties. Some ballastimg done on the timber sleeper track sections and some experimenting with a section of concrete track. Edited October 25, 2021 by gm171 kk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Keegan Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, irishthump said: Is it the specific Lokpilot for the A Class? *No , there is no specific A Class Lokpilot non sound decoder available from IRM or elsewhere as they have already stated until 2022 . *ESU have stated that there is a world wide shortage of non sound decoders and will not be available until 2022. If not then the headlights probably just need to be mapped to a function key. *The headlights operate from F22 via Aux3 & Aux4 . you will have to remap Aux3 & Aux4 as irishthump has suggested. 18 hours ago, irishthump said: Edited October 25, 2021 by Joe Keegan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted October 26, 2021 Share Posted October 26, 2021 22 hours ago, gm171 kk said: They seem to yes. Once I have the current CV value of the headlights I should be able to change it following instruction I found online. OK give this a go. Change the following CVs in this exact order. This should give you directional headlights on F7. CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV385 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV385 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV401 = 8 CV403 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV401 = 32 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV419 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV417 = 128 CV418 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV435 = 64 CV436 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV434 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV452 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV450 = 2 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV468 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV466 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV484 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV482 = 8 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV500 = 64 CV501 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV498 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 4 ---------------------- CV261 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 9 ---------------------- CV258 = 32 If this does'nt work just program CV8 with a value of 8. That will reset the decoder back to the original settings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) On 26/10/2021 at 8:29 PM, irishthump said: OK give this a go. Change the following CVs in this exact order. This should give you directional headlights on F7. CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV385 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV385 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV401 = 8 CV403 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV401 = 32 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV419 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV417 = 128 CV418 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV435 = 64 CV436 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV434 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV452 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV450 = 2 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV468 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV466 = 4 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV484 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV482 = 8 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3 ---------------------- CV500 = 64 CV501 = 0 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 8 ---------------------- CV498 = 16 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 4 ---------------------- CV261 = 1 CV31 = 16, CV32 = 9 ---------------------- CV258 = 32 If this does'nt work just program CV8 with a value of 8. That will reset the decoder back to the original settings. Thanks. I will give that a go. Edited October 28, 2021 by gm171 kk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 143 did a bit of ballasting last night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Looks like a successful overnight possession! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnfromoz Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Did you sort your lighting issues? The A seems to like a four function plus at least two auxillary outputs. A Lais current model 21 pin will operate all lights independently, but not the cab interior. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 If it helps, this is the function list on the A Class LokPilot chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 hours ago, BosKonay said: If it helps, this is the function list on the A Class LokPilot chips. For me it's: F0 Directional white marker lights F1 Red marker lights (fan end) F2 Red marker lights (other end) F3 Shunt mode F4 Nothing F5 Nothing F6 Nothing F7 Both cab lights F8 Shunt lights (fan end) F9 Shunt lights (other end) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, gm171 kk said: For me it's: F0 Directional white marker lights F1 Red marker lights (fan end) F2 Red marker lights (other end) F3 Shunt mode F4 Nothing F5 Nothing F6 Nothing F7 Both cab lights F8 Shunt lights (fan end) F9 Shunt lights (other end) Did you try the CV changes I gave you yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 One of the great features of the Z21 app that you can use with the Digikeijs system is the ease with which you can access functions and move them around to suit your requirements. I have included a couple of screenshots to show this. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 (edited) 42 minutes ago, irishthump said: Did you try the CV changes I gave you yet? I've just tried it. It didn't change anything really apart from F8 now showing all marker lights on the fan end. Edited October 28, 2021 by gm171 kk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Giving the As a breather. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Leaning into the curve looks gteat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Some shots of the layout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 On 29/10/2021 at 10:25 AM, gm171 kk said: Fantastic shot. Love it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 28/10/2021 at 9:25 PM, gm171 kk said: I've just tried it. It didn't change anything really apart from F8 now showing all marker lights on the fan end. Sorry that did'nt work man! Let me have another look and get back to you.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 On 29/10/2021 at 10:25 PM, gm171 kk said: Brings back happy memories reminds me of days trainspotting on the Midland in the 80s and 90s. Usually Craven train consists until MK2D cascaded onto the line in the late 80s 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 048 on the Bell liner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Oh, that's tasty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) I'm going to have to tear all of the track up and start again. The amount of derailments are doing my head in. Edited November 13, 2021 by gm171 kk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I had to remove the super elevation on Tara junction due to the number of derailments I experienced-that solved any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Are these "A"s any more prone to this than other models? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: Are these "A"s any more prone to this than other models? I could'nt imagine how they would be. The fact they are so heavy would make me think they would'nt have any issues. 1 hour ago, gm171 kk said: I'm going to have to tear all of the track up and start again. The amount of derailments are doing my head in. Curious as to the cause of this myself! Is it the locos that derail or the stock? Or both? Are you using code 75 track? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, irishthump said: I could'nt imagine how they would be. The fact they are so heavy would make me think they would'nt have any issues. That's what I would have thought, indeed....... haven't been able to run mine yet as they need to be chipped still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) The As derail no more than other stock. The main problem items the joins in baseboards. The track flattens out a bit and also lowers as I had to make the bed solid at the joins in order for it to not move and mess up track alignment. The other issue is that I have points right next to the baseboard joins. So when the derailing happens it's usually because one wheel set is hovering above the rails as the other wheels are sitting on track that it's slightly higher in level. This results in the free wheel set derailing and causing a short. The MM 071s are the worst culprit for this. As can be seen in the photo below the level difference is very slight but the problems it causes means I can't run trains... Edited November 13, 2021 by gm171 kk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, gm171 kk said: The As derail no more than other stock. The main problem items the joins in baseboards. The track flattens out a bit and also lowers as I had to make the bed solid at the joins in order for it to not move and mess up track alignment. The other issue is that I have points right next to the baseboard joins. So when the derailing happens it's usually because one wheel set is hovering above the rails as the other wheels are sitting on track that it's slightly higher in level. This results in the free wheel set derailing and causing a short. The MM 071s are the worst culprit for this. As can be seen in the photo below the level difference is very slight but the problems it causes means I can't run trains... Yep that sounds like a problem alright! part of the issue is the finer flanges on more modern models are less tolerant of uneven track. With the old Lima and Hornby "pizza cutter" wheel flanges that sort of thing really didn't matter. The long wheelbase of the 071 won't help matters either. Edited November 13, 2021 by irishthump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gm171 kk Posted November 13, 2021 Author Share Posted November 13, 2021 I've leveled out the area slightly and the 071s get over it no problem now... But the area was fiddled with previously to help other stock get over it so doing this will probably cause other stuck to derail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgeconna Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 5 hours ago, gm171 kk said: I'm going to have to tear all of the track up and start again. The amount of derailments are doing my head in. Bummer Worth a try though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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